Organizing Circle Meeting: 2024 7 November (Thursday) 1300 UTC
The Organizing Circle for social.coop will meet 2024 7 November (Thursday) 1300 - 1430 UTC. We will meet here: https://socialcoop.meet.coop/kat-aiw-mpv-6vv.
Kathe TB Tue 5 Nov 2024 6:47PM
Agenda
Tentative agenda! To be consented to at the start of the meeting or revised/discussed in thread here.
1300 [5 min] ADMIN
Who is here?
Does anyone need to leave early?
Confirm our next call on 7 November 2024 1300 UTC
Who is note taking?
Who is facilitating? Kathe
1305 [10 min] Check in:
How are you showing up today? What are you bringing into the space? [https://feelingswheel.com/]
1315 [5 min] Recaps
Review recap from last call https://www.loomio.com/d/lNpR7tcn/organizing-circle-meeting-2024-24-october-thursday-1300-utc/3
1325 [5 min] Updates: What is the status of your to-do items? Can someone help you?
Call a round to check in with people
1335 [20 min] Updates from working circles
Finance
Tech
Community
Legal
1355 [10 min] Decision: What is our process for selecting new members for OC? Do we have next steps?
1405 [05 min] Scoping: How we at social.coop decide things
What kind of decisions do we want to keep making the same way we have been?
What kind of decisions do we need to change or revise how we make?
1415 [5 min] Tasks: What are you taking out of this call as a task or todo item?
1420 [5 min] Backlog: What should we be talking about in the next 2-4 calls?
organize a public discussion on how social.coop interacts with corporate presences in the Fediverse
tracking projects of the Organizing Circle (and possibly extending this to collaborations with other working groups) specifically in relationship to managing to-do items
revisit onboarding documentation
set goals and priorities for social.coop for the next year
1425 [5 min] Feedback: What worked well with this call and what could be improved? Explain why.
Kathe TB Thu 7 Nov 2024 2:36PM
Notes
1300 [5 min] ADMIN
Who is here? Kathe, Eduardo, Matt, Marie, Flancian, Caitlin
Does anyone need to leave early?
Confirm our next call on 21 November 2024 1300 UTC
Who is note taking? Matt
Who is facilitating? Kathe
1305 [10 min] Check in:
How are you showing up today? What are you bringing into the space? [https://feelingswheel.com/]
Argentina <-> US parallels
disappointment, sadness, grief, incredulity, Cory Doctorow inspiration, perplexed, tired, hopeful (too soon?) for turning point away from complacency, grounded and sober
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inspiration: https://www.ucpress.edu/books/red-round-globe-hot-burning/paper
(is this legal? > https://annas-archive.org/search?q=red+round+globe+hot+burning) (it should be :))
1315 [5 min] Recaps
Review recap from last call https://www.loomio.com/d/lNpR7tcn/organizing-circle-meeting-2024-24-october-thursday-1300-utc/3
1325 [5 min] Updates: What is the status of your to-do items? Can someone help you?
Call a round to check in with people https://www.loomio.com/d/ulUMWRz7/organizing-circle-meeting-2024-7-november-thursday-1300-utc/1
Kathe - needs to schedule Legal WG meeting
Matt - no action on to-dos
Marie - did meeting agenda, want to find to-do alternative, need to decide how to add Andres as member of the OC Loomio group
Eduardo - convene meeting, still pending
1335 [20 min] Updates from working circles
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Finance
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Tech
We had a bill related issue again, now we've paid two months in a row (thanks dphiffer!). But we need to improve on process and tracking.
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who should pay bills?
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TWG?
true for now
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FWG?
maybe true in the long term? through innovation.coop?
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wiki.social.coop has been updated so we can upload images again
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http://iocoop.org membership
vps, cooperative, competitive prices
on aligning incentives (we would like to keep using coop services low-overhead w.r.t. hiring corporate services)
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located in the US
important to have a plan B
should the OC help manage these coop-to-coop relationships?
would we have representation on iocoop governance?
member vote on this?
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Reactions:
We like the idea of joining forces with other coops
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Matt: we joined meet.coop and we're still using it. We used to have participation earlier, now not so much. Would we need to participate in their governance?
A vote is appropriate.
Location in the US is not great but the coop thing is a real plus.
agreed: use it to experiment with alpha.social.coop first, to see how it works
Q: noticed that there's a conversation about sunsetting TWG members
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Community
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>>> Flancian: on the meeting I had with @dynamic
On better 'taking stands' or aligning behind ideological positions as a community.
vibe in discussions of ops - lack of discussion/decision on ideological/policy positions, e.g. Threads, Bluesky...
community sense-making convo to develop policy positions -- OC should organize this, do it as a regular and ongoing convo
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self-definition of a community, important to keep it moving forward
how do we decide (as a group/community) what our position is?
on whether we want to be/serve one community or two, or many
important to listen to this kind of feedback, also not to over-weigh one person's voice (we should hear a variety of voices to know how widespread these impressions are)
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we support the idea of the OC helping facilitate this conversation and sense-making.
we need to better understand our positions/the positions of the community
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proposal: we plan a conversation container for this topic for the beginning of next year.
approved
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>>> chat alternatives: Matrix to chat (some CWG members don't want to use it), what's the best way to have the conversations around moderation? Explore hosting our own chat service?
Matrix self-hosted? Can bridge to other protocols
This is a common discussion... Edumerco interested in this conversation -- sovereign communications
Edumerco: Zulip as an alternative? good usability, floss, can have on our own server...
part of SC is already on Matrix... especially TWG and everyone on the "open chat room"
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have chat platform:
self-hosted for our own internal ops purposes and/or
for members to use for their own purposes?
jointly hosted with other instances? e.g. cosocial.ca?
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Reactions:
neutral from people who don't currently use matrix
no harm in experimenting
transparency and keeping things in one place is a good idea in principle
self-hosting is a good idea
Whare are all the relevant dimensions we have to include on the exploration and decision?
Is this about a coordination tool for WG, or provisioning it as a service (higher commitment)?
could we as a co-op have multiple services?
Matt: post about this to CWG
Flan: start a thread or book a meeting to discuss next steps in the messaging space cross-WG
>>> updating on-call procedure on Wiki about a member facing mental health issues
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Legal
1355 [10 min] Decision: What is our process for selecting new members for OC? Do we have next steps?
Matt no update
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Historically
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Open loomio thread self-nomination/volunteer for Circle -> https://www.loomio.com/p/Tru1HSil/join-the-new-social-coop-organizing-circle-a-call-for-nominations-
Jury selected by mastodon and Lomio lists
Jury selected by sortition (random selection)
Jury votes on new members from the list of people who self-nominated
ByLaws vote-SOCIAL.COOP ORGANIZING CIRCLE PROPOSAL: https://www.loomio.com/p/OI8kEjVz/social-coop-organizing-circle-proposal
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How do we want to do this moving forward?
OC decide on profile of needs, open nominations, OC decides
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turnover is crucial, to ensure continuity -- rotate off 1/2 of OC this year
but the term is two years long, so we need to discuss how to manage the edge case (as we've all been around for one year only)
minimum we need to do is replace an at large member
we are working well together, need to keep continuity
add more members [perhaps by having two people from each WG], and hold off on rotating off while OC is being consolidated
diversity of membership? do we know?
1405 [05 min] Scoping: How we at social.coop decide things
What kind of decisions do we want to keep making the same way we have been?
What kind of decisions do we need to change or revise how we make?
1415 [5 min] Tasks: What are you taking out of this call as a task or todo item?
Kathe: Recap and next agenda
Marie: To-do (+alternatives), reminder, starting thread Loomio next meeting
Edu: convene the meeting to move the onboarding process.
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Matt:
find language on inclusive nomination criteria/process
draft short process for election of new member
communicate with CWG about matrix/Zulip etc
Flan: start a thread or book a meeting to discuss next steps in the messaging space cross-WG -> https://social.coop/@flancian/113442146418892106
Caitlin: moving our public calendar item meeting date;
1420 [5 min] Backlog: What should we be talking about in the next 2-4 calls?
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organize a public discussion on how social.coop interacts with corporate presences? adversary instances? in the Fediverse
let's add the Ekumen proposal discussion?
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End of year report with recruitment
list of members of each WG
link to meeting notes for each WG
Organize topic on community values/principles
tracking projects of the Organizing Circle (and possibly extending this to collaborations with other working groups) specifically in relationship to managing to-do items
revisit onboarding documentation
set goals and priorities for social.coop for the next year
1425 [5 min] Feedback: What worked well with this call and what could be improved? Explain why.
Kathe TB Thu 21 Nov 2024 12:55AM
Recap
Organizing circle discussed the process for selecting new OC members and heard updates from the working circles.
Historical Organizing Circle had an open Loomio thread for self-nomination (https://www.loomio.com/p/Tru1HSil/join-the-new-social-coop-organizing-circle-a-call-for-nominations-) followed by a random Jury selection from the mastdon and Loomio rolls. This jury then selected a set of people who self-nominated based on a criteria that tried to balance diversity and expertise. The set of people where then put to the coop for a vote. This process was set for the initial stand up of the Organizing Circle (https://www.loomio.com/p/OI8kEjVz/social-coop-organizing-circle-proposal ) but does not necessarily need to be followed moving forward. We do need a way to add new people and want to ensure that we have continuity and regular turnover. We will revisit this topic at the next meeting.
Updates
Finance working group: Discussed member recruitment and pulling together an end of year report for 2024.
Tech working group: Still struggling with billing. Wiki.social.coop is updated (image upload is fixed!). Looking at joining a coop owned server for our hosting.
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Community working group:
We need a better way to talk about how to take strategic positions (informed by politics) as social.coop; current conversations on Loomio have been challenging for members and not felt good. OC will figure out a container for these conversations in the new year.
There was some discussion around Matrix alternatives to chat. We need further discussion within the working groups and beyond on this.
Update to the on-call procedure on the Wiki about members facing mental health issues
Legal: No update
Kathe TB Thu 21 Nov 2024 12:58AM
Backlog
tracking projects of the Organizing Circle (and possibly extending this to collaborations with other working groups) specifically in relationship to managing to-do items
revisit onboarding documentation
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set goals and priorities for social.coop for the next year
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January 2025 - Plan community conversation on coop political stances and how this influences strategic decisions.
organize a public discussion on how social.coop interacts with corporate presences in the Fediverse
MarieVC (social.coop/@MarieVC) · Tue 5 Nov 2024 5:37AM
To-do List
Caitlin: learn how to use NextCloud to update meeting time announcement for all SC users and make an announcement on Social.Coop for next meeting and today's meeting recap that all SC members can see.
Kathe: Recap and agenda(?), organize Legal meeting
Matt: find language on inclusive nomination criteria/process
Matt: draft short process for election of new member
Marie: Marie: info/1st Loomio message next meeting (details about the meeting), reminder, to-do list (will also contact Flan, to explore possible to-do list tools)
Edumerco: make another meeting with the CWG to keep going the onboarding process