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Take a moment to let the group know a bit about who you are. Post a comment below.

What’s your role or approach to participation in this group? What should people know about you to understand where you’re coming from?

JO

Jonathan Ogden Sat 10 Mar 2018 11:16PM

"Could" is distinctly speculative, and given the history of the participants that's not the first time (or likely the last) that they'll be in that argument. I prefer self-regulating systems, if people can't be adults and work toward a solution (doesn't need to be fun/happy) then they don't have to participate.

The goal is equity not equality as far as I'm concerned, but my concerns are driven by neighbor input and consensus (so I'm open to discourse).

DJ

Dr Jack Sun 11 Mar 2018 5:24PM

Would you be willing to add the requirement to use legal names

If WHO it is that is talking matters more to you than WHAT it is they are saying, your priorities may be a little out of line! There is no easy way to make this an open platform if a requirement for every new member is that they provide proof of identity to moderators. And if your concern is that information could be leaked & used for ill purposes: your proposed method of gate-keeping still won't solve that.

MM

Mark McConnell Mon 12 Mar 2018 12:09AM

@zx your anonymity is more important to you than knowing your neighbors. There's nothing you can learn from me about "priorities".

KP

Kevin Provost Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:12PM

"Hi, I'm Kevin. That's my real name, and you can find out an awful lot about me with that information, so sharing it is an act of good faith. You?"
"Hi, thanks for the info. I'm using a fake name and fake info, but I would like my opinion to be heard."
That's not equity.

JO

Jonathan Ogden Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:21PM

Hmm, I feel very often that middle-aged white "entrepreneurial" types, especially those in an "alternative" industry like cannabis, throw around the word "equity" without understanding what that really means, i.e. equity is not your opinion of what's fair, it is the institutional analysis of self-defined levels of comfort or accommodations of required effort for an individual to participate (per the Veil of Ignorance model).

That is to say, that you as a privileged person have zero input over what people who have other concerns may do, and the equity part comes from providing a platform where both of you can express your ideas comfortably. Additionally it is definitively based around existing observable trends in power dynamics, so cases like "reverse racism" and other nonsense are demonstrably able to be disproved.

Really though, what's with hang up on the name thing? I thought you people were all about The Marketplace of Ideas™ or whatever.

KP

Kevin Provost Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:24PM

LOL "you people."

JO

Jonathan Ogden Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:25PM

Ah right, sorry * Capitalists. ;)

KP

Kevin Provost Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:28PM

All right, putting the anonymity thing aside, I'll say this. You've started a new venue and now I've seen you call Benjamin a pedant and me a middle-aged white capitalist. Since the equity part comes from providing a platform where all can express our ideas comfortably, I'm outski. Thanks for trying, I guess.

JO

Jonathan Ogden Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:32PM

Aw, that's too bad. I just figured a little ribbing was something you could both handle given the precedent of the Facebook group (that place could get nasty quick).

I appreciate the engagement, and as a member the door is always open, but then again I would encourage all cis-white men to practice "stepping up by stepping back", so being a lurker for a while is perfectly reasonable.

BR

Briar Rose Tue 13 Mar 2018 7:43PM

Hi Mark. I hope you stick around and use this platform 😀

MM

Mark McConnell Wed 14 Mar 2018 1:38AM

Thank you for the welcome, Briar Rose. I'll likely stick around, but there is limited value in interacting with avatars instead of people, about matters that concern us face to face. I can use it to argue that point though.

Using the worst things about the internet is a bad prescription to address our ills. Social media have been used both ways in Montavilla. They've been used as a way to know one another better, or worse. To meet online regardless of real life barriers in ways that produce real life cooperation among differently minded people, or irresponsibly to spread slander that isolates you from people who don't know you. There is no speculation here. This is a fact that every one of us has experienced. Anonymity works in the wrong direction.

JO

Jonathan Ogden Sat 10 Mar 2018 9:21PM

Also for reference, you can browse other groups that are public to get an idea of how to phrase posts/what kind of thing works in their decision environment (maybe it applies here if it's similar).
https://www.loomio.org/explore
Loomio's main group is pretty excellent to learn from: https://www.loomio.org/g/WmPCB3IR/loomio-community

DJ

Dr Jack Sun 11 Mar 2018 5:19PM

Hello, I'm Bob and I've been in Montavilla for over 2 years now (wow!)

I love our neighborhood. While I'm not too active with the board, I've done a few things to help clean up the neighborhood a bit... picking up litter from Vestal's front lawn and otherwise along 82nd, getting rid of nazi graffiti, helping out at the warming shelter at times & donating blankets etc, and otherwise trying to be a good neighbor for the local unhoused.

One change I'd really hope to see in Montavilla would be the addition of a food coop, food bank, or some other solution to greater food access -- the neighborhood is a food desert outside of Hong Phat & that concerns me!

BR

Briar Rose Tue 13 Mar 2018 7:44PM

Hi Bob, welcome to the loomio!

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Sebastian Tue 13 Mar 2018 5:59PM

Hi, I'm Sebastian! I work for JOIN, a non-profit located on 81st and Clackamas in Montavilla. We provide houseless services, outreach, and retention support. I work on the data team. I'm looking forward to dialogue!

BR

Briar Rose Tue 13 Mar 2018 7:44PM

Welcome Sebastian! Great to have you on here

BR

Briar Rose Tue 13 Mar 2018 7:18PM

Hi, I'm Briar Rose Schreiber! I also go by Rose Raccoon online and I make music under the name PolymerWitch. I also am an MNA board member. I've served as Secretary to the board for the past six months, and now I'm hoping to focus more on event organizing. I would love to help get resources for you to put on your community event! Let's chat!

J

Jacob Tue 13 Mar 2018 9:18PM

Hi Everyone, My name is Richard Adams. I go by Jacob on line. I am elderly and disabled. I have lived in Montavilla on and off since 1989. I retired from the U.S. Army after 20 years active duty in 1989. I love Montavilla. and care very much about our neighborhood. I would hope I can help us become a wonderful place to live once again.

JO

Jonathan Ogden Tue 13 Mar 2018 9:33PM

Glad to see you made it!

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Deleted User Tue 27 Mar 2018 11:10PM

Hey, I'm Justin. I've lived in the neighborhood for about a year and a half. I'm a designer, avid video game nerd, amateur pit master, and now trying my hand at winemaking.

I've been spotty on my MNA meeting attendance, but am trying to get back into it.

JO

Jonathan Ogden Tue 27 Mar 2018 11:12PM

Glad you made it, let's open this pit up.

DL

David Linn Wed 28 Mar 2018 12:04AM

David Linn - I was born in Montavilla in the apartments behind Pho Van on 82nd. I have lived in several homes/apartments around the hood. I attended Vestal elem, Binnsmead Middle, and Madison High. I first joined MNA as secretary/treasurer in 2005 as part of an effort to start a volunteer library. I was vice chair & chair ‘06-‘07 and re-ran last year after returning to Montavilla from Parkrose Heights. My focus is outreach, parks and homeless services.