#99Rise Occupation of the Capital in Sacramento

If i can start it with a mike check, hell yeah. U guys can fight over which version if there are more than one.

Couldn't sleep after blocking, for assurance about my action watched a vid about Ted Gunderson, one of my motivators. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu77VlA41Sk
True cause of his death at 1:37. He is role model for courage and truth. Stunning, see http://sacredscribesangelnumbers.blogspot.com/2011/07/angel-number-137.html

@bradleymastin you are voting in response to @donnapiranha1's discussion, not the proposal.

So in this case a block has the full OWS meaning..

So you & @oswgwhe have moral, ethical or safety reservations about the proposal and will consider leaving the group if it passes?

Can you both speak to your Blocks?

This was just on twitter from "@mathiasq: @NatGat2014 try tweeting @99rise or contact @Curt_Ries. Email me at [email protected] and I'll send phone numbers."

I agree with @bradleymastin to some extent, the corrupt in congress will make hardship, but I also feel to a lesser extent than the Senate, that there are Occupants/Campaigners in Congress.

Just FYI here's the 99Rise's here's a lifestream and "Occupation Daily Schedule"
http://www.marchfordemocracy.org
8:00AM - Morning Meeting on Capitol Grounds

1:00PM - Lunch on Sidewalk

4:00PM - Orientation for Newcomers (2:00PM on Weekends)

5:30PM - Demonstration & Sit-in within Capitol Building (4:00PM on Weekends)

Dinner will immediately follow the Sit-in

There's a Caravan page. http://www.groupcarpool.com/t/x6qgkn I will post that link in the Caravan discussion

Looks like there's $$ behind this, but whatever.. they're preparing the Forward Operating Base.

Thank you for your patience Justin. I do not know or judge the 99Rise, sounds like good energy. What i do believe is the constitutional amendment process is being driven by those who intend to reduce our liberties.
http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/item/554-con-job-tea-party-mobilizing-to-re-write-constitution
http://irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-national-factions/tea-party-patriots
and now it is in my face:
http://irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/553-bundy-standoff

Oh and the reason, i feel we generate a special emotional feeling when we first read a proposal and that is related to how we will vote. Feel good and agree, vote yes and you the power of love. Feel bad about the vote then passion is lacking and mistrust creeps in. It was confusing to me seeing a proposal and discussion about a unrelated topic. Sets up a destructive negative karma wave that will bounce back. With Your clarifying comments and Donna's thoughtful reply i now happily vote to support the proposal.

@oswgwhe why did u block?

NikiV. I blocked for what I consider obvious reasons. Your question is valid though. My answer is related to what I just posted on the Planning the Training for the Gathering discussion.
The NatGat conference call spent the first few months starting last December being unproductive, and, pointedly, turning off people in Sacramento and elsewhere.

The two main obstacles, (moles?), that have been identified -- although these two people are not necessarily intending to subvert what we are trying to do, but you can subvert even when you don't want to -- are Cal's and Justin's forms of exercising their white male privilege.

I blocked because Justin's proposal is out touch with our planning, and out of touch with the lessons that 99Rise will be teaching us.

#99Rise has finished it's action and gone home. I think they were a good warm up for our main event, and good allies but we owe them nothing in regards to reading the Declaration.

Tricia, was that a response to my comment?

Yes. How is starting out the gathering by reading this statement out of touch with the planning?

What does #99Rise have to do with it?

What planning that has happened has come from people, whose plan's are not know equally on Loomio or Calls, on email lists and with other groups, or in Sacramento generally or at the GA. If the plans are not well known, what is reciting these "occupy" vows going to do?

And the actual reality of this is in the planning the training discussion, because of all the plans that anyone has surmised may or may not happen, the only firm one is the Wednesday Training.

I don't understand what you are saying. Surmised?

That may be an inappropriate word. Yet the discussions about Sacramento and the actual daily scheduling and firm amounts of people working, are minimal. So we should concentrate on that which is firm, the training.

Here's a list of confirmed happenings. https://natgat2014.titanpad.com/60?

Thanks Tricia. Its a surprise to see so much in black and white.

p.s. @justin2, can you make this proposal stay live until close to the gathering?

@oswgwhe
"The NatGat conference call spent the first few months starting last December being unproductive, and, pointedly, turning off people in Sacramento and elsewhere."

Surely you jest:
NatGat2014 Planning Call NOTES Jan-April http://natgat2014.titanpad.com/69
NATGAT2014 DECISIONS http://natgat2014.titanpad.com/41

I take great exception to that statement. I've heard "too many discussions". What do folks think collaborative planning is all about?

"because of all the plans that anyone has surmised may or may not happen, the only firm one is the Wednesday Training."

Have you viewed the FAQ page, Have you viewed the spreadsheets listing volunteers and speakers? Have you viewed the maps? Have you viewed the draft schedule?There is a large chasm between the folks who talk the "we shoulds" and the folks doing the nuts and bolts tasks and coordinating.

You are right that " actual daily scheduling and firm amounts of people working, are minimal." What we need are more folks willing to do the actual work. There are many pieces in play - that have been in play since Feb. that need to be coordinated. We need folks to write emails and get on the phone. Step up Folks!

Thanks for clarifying Jackie. I apologize for belittling the first few months. Its true. I don't have access to that information.

Is what I am doing which I consider specific, not seen as specific? The information that I don't have access to: Are there gaps between doers and talkers there?

The following is what I just posted on the "Need for Extra Calls" discussion.

"I agree we need more planning, and that titanpad document 60 has the most complete list of usable points or agenda items that have been proposed for the actual gathering. I hope the Loomio discussion parallels the extra calls. I hope Allstreets and others speak more clearly and specifically about what they are doing.

Was titanpad documents 46 and 51 supposed to present additional specific usable points and agenda items? I didn’t see any.

I spoke at length with NikiV this morning and its clear that our overall plans are good while sadly our details are poor. I hope the calls deal with specifics like document 60.

My reporting on 99Rise has led to confusion. I hope the calls can deal with that problem as well. "

Wow. Yes, the reading of the original intent, or "agenda" of Occupy is necessary...it keeps people grounded and focused...as I said, I printed a copy and will bring as a poster board. "Training" and learning are very important and however people are conveying their ideas (be it properly, or whatever technology is avail)--they deserve a good listening to...I heartily agree that this NatGat should be opened with the list of "demands" originally stated, and whether it is an open mic is up to you all...like I said, I want to stick a sign into the ground at the entrance to the park, or whatever space has been established, with the original list of "demands" so that everyone gets a start to their "training." Tangents are good...and intelligent and creative...they should be allowed. However, there is possibly a need for one original set of "rules" (I know...bad word) that should be adhered to, to a certain extent. That is my feeling on this. Thank you.

Love it @toadficca - yes we need a poster size!

As a group, we have been particularly anti-process and anti-dealing with problems when they arise this year. Thus when problems and mis-communications arise, there is no process in place to deal with accountability nor conflict resolution. I think the #1 organizing tip I can take away this year is that these processes are crucial - more crucial than I realized - and must be established first order of business.

This group has discussed How we want to be with each other on loomio - perhaps it's time to revive that discussion. https://www.loomio.org/d/CFlnIK31/how-we-want-to-be-with-each-other-loomio-participation-guidelines

For our calls, IO offers these guidelines to support conversations grounded in respect and accountability; interactions guided by principles rather than personalities.
http://interoccupy.net/about/participation-guidelines/

@oswgwhe, thanks for pointing out something very important - and for me that is the #2 organizing tip I will take away this year and that is COMMS FLOW.

It is amazing to me how large pockets of information seem to be unknown to folks who have worked together for nearly 7 months. even to folks on the calls. Jesus, we have a plethora of platforms to communicate on; a new one created for every access problem group, from phones to computer access, to folks who only use social media and folks who rarely use social media.

Are there gaps between doers and talkers there?
Huge gaps. As Allstr33ts says, planning is over - we should be on purely logistics now. Putting the pieces together. We have confirmed places to be, we have c. 25 spkrs-teach-in leaders, presenters, etc. We have c. 20 volunteers on board for on the ground - just from the form - I am sure there are many others that will spring to action on the ground. We have several proposals of what the days should look like.

I can think of three things that effect this lack of info:
Need for a comms team to insure that all groups are hearing the info, with a special liaison between the on ground local Occupy and the online planning group.

Folks just stepping up and taking responsibility for knowing what's going on. asking questions, asking clarifying questions, checking out call notes, checking in with subgroups, adding to the agenda. Understanding the process.

Own and Guide the Conversation or Process: Take responsibility for the quality of your participation and the quality of the work .
http://interoccupy.net/about/participation-guidelines/

Last - not enough people; just plan old there are not enough people to do the work and disseminate the word. Every single person on the weekly calls (a solid c.15) is wearing so many hats, it effects quality and communication.

The #2 tip is COMMS FLOW.

But ya know what, it's getting there, and it's also fairly typical to be scrambling at the final stages of organizing to madly piece together what's real or memorex, and come up with a wonderful mix of what was meant to be.

I'll reply to your other points on the extra calls disc. I've already taken up too much space on this thread.

@nikiv - when you say “I’d like to do a mic check first”, do you mean that you personally would like to do a mic check first, did you just mean there needs to be a mic check (by anyone)? If you meant you, did you have something in mind besides simply saying “Mic check”?

@cal ... if no one else wants do it, i'm happy to do it. but i don't have to be the one to do it, i just mostly think it should be done first. =)

NikiV, what is the significance of doing "Mic Check"

Got it, Niki. You want to make sure it happens.

Having something read via mike check means that everyone repeats it—means that they really are listening, participating.

The human microphone was invented because of the prohibitions on amplified sound in NYC. Sacramento also has some expectations and consequences (and fees) that we may want to comb through, to save the out of towners hassle and to prevent unnecessary intervention by authorities.
 Parks & Recreation has this handy dandy guide http://www.cityofsacramento.org/parksandrecreation/recreation/pdf/event_pguide2011.pdf

In accordance with City Code 12.72.060/12.72.110, the regulations for the use of amplified sound by any person(s) in a public City park are as follows:
• No person shall use any amplified sound without first obtaining an amplified sound permit. This prohibition shall not apply to the use of any radio, tape player, tape recorder, record player or television;
• No person shall use amplified sound except between sunrise and sunset, except at lighted facilities;
• No person shall use amplified sound exceeding a noise level of 86 dBA at a distance of 25 feet from
a noise source or sources, or exceed a noise level of 55 dBA on any residential property.
Amplified sound permits are $25 per hour of amplified sound. .

Am I wrong in thinking that the picture above is an example negative patriarchy? And there are males in our group (including me), who can loudly and convincingly say "no".

Thanks, Tricia.

Yeah, strong Noes are gender-neutral.

I assume you think that actually, "strong Noes are gender neutral". Though that phrasing can perhaps be interpreted different ways.

Whether a no is strong or weak, or gender-neutral or not, though, may not speak to the actual sociology of entrenched systemic patriarchy

too much to do to discuss philosophy—great late-night discussion at NatGat in a few weeks, though!

Goodness again. First of all, as an "out of towner" I am not very worried about the authorities...not saying that I am intending any anarchist moves...just saying that I like the mic check...I think it gets people's attention to what the matter at hand is...and it might just be the ticket to avoiding tickets! I am pretty low key, so the authorities won't be very interested in my amplification. That being said, however, (sorry just made it personal) there are others who cannot get into any trouble at all. So, what is wrong with the mic check? If someone wants to take charge...let 'em...at some point, somebody, somewhere, is going to have to be in charge....a leader...I know that I have the choice to follow that leader or not...but if no one else steps up to the plate...let them lead, and others will be able to make their own decisions or follow...whatever suits them. This isn't a competition on any level. We are trying to be as Egalitarian as possible, and the first day workshop will help with the concept...but mostly, we just need to try and work together!

Just went back to Tricia’s post—actually, the Occupy use of the People’s Mike is a resurrection of an old tradition from preëlectricity days—at the Botto House in Haledon, N.J., home of a labor organizer from days of the Paterson silk strikes i 1913 or so, they mike checked speeches off the 2nd-floor balcony to the workers filling the yard—and speeches were not all in English, but Gernan, Italian, etc. (If I told this story before, forgive me—getting old and repetitive!)