Here is my recommendation, Alexander. If you are estimating a month of work, I think you should ask for an amount, based upon deliverables, not to exceed $4500 total. This gives you additional funds available if the work turns out to take longer than expected.

I've updated the proposal to divide the deliverables in Parts 1 2 and 3. How about $3000 total, as $1000 per part? (which then can be divided per each point in the list) If it takes longer than a month, that's my issue alone, and I need to learn from it. I've made the estimations fully knowing it might take longer, and thinking of the worst case scenario to still be feasible. Does that sound reasonable as cost?

This will be a good investment by the community and a good way for us to help Alexander become even more useful to the. community. I look forward to voting for it!

if nothing else pops up to be solved, I suppose I'll need I'll need to make a comment on here on monday, as a proposal, and have it voted on, right?

Correct.

does that proposal ping everyone or did I miss a button?

@Alexander (Maverick - EU-RO) It looks like you have thoroughly researched this and I, too, believe it would be a useful addition to our resources!

@Adam Armfield I might have been poorly explaining the thing, so I'll try to be more specific, sorry if it comes out as too blunt. Firstly, US$3k is just above the minimum wage for a graduate robotics engineer in UK, where I graduated. Secondly, it's supposed to cover the project, it's not per month. I need to survive for whatever time I need to complete the tasks, which might easily be 2 full-time months of work.

As for the explanation. I have been "playing" on the Hub for the last 8 months. Except for the last week, I believe you'll find I have liked and commented on nearly all posts from the past many moons, trying to get involved and help as much as possible wherever I can. I am however an engineer firstly, and I like to believe I have quite a bit of skill and experience for my age.

From my point, the Hub is really really bad at welcoming engineers, and even more so at keeping them interested. Engineers come on the hub, figure out the community ain't doing anything serious, and get back to their life. Jon has quite a bit of experience for that. That happens due to 2 reasons: there is no leadership, no one to ask and to promptly respond with a very specific task that needs doing; and there is no engineer friendly description of the devices, or easy way to navigate. if I need 10-20 minutes in the device list, just to figure out the one device I actually wanted to check out, I'm better off designing my own separately and forgetting about the Hub. and the fact that you need to build the devices in order to figure out BASIC specifications and data about them is INCONCEIVABLE. no datasheets, no specs, no nothing. As a mere student I find this really unprofessional, I shudder to think what real engineers would think of this.

Put it this way. for all my time here, I have only been given hints to what might be needed, even when I asked specifically the community with polls. Nobody knows what needs to be done, and nobody wants to take the responsibility: not for making a better environment, not for leading. Well I am holding on with my teeth to this Hub until we either get that, or I do it myself in some other way. Call me stubborn, but I am yet to learn how to give up.

Finally, the point of the project is to be a first step for something bigger, and prove to the community that I really am useful. The final aim is, in my vision, to start orienting the Hub into doing proper research into prosthetics, and achieve more of it's potential. 1/3 of the people here are educators and university students, and yet most of the work done around here is just redoing other's work, because it wasn't shared in a systematic manner. And the other 2/3 are either passionate people or professionally relevant people. And we are wasting their time, instead of using everyone efficiently. I am an engineer, and I enjoy the most the design and test part, the pure research. However, faced with the option to become a 'leader' or 'community advisor' for the R&D side of things, if no one else will take it, then I will step up with pleasure.

I apologize if this came off too gritty or blunt :) Maybe it's the hour (1am here) maybe it's the open culture that I come from. I really like the Hub and the entire e-nable initiative, and I've been spending the last 3 months working or thinking at the hub and prosthetics for most of every single day. This project is also an excuse to find a way to support myself while dedicating even more time towards these goals.

Thanks for explaining. We as a team have not been engaging much with the hub thsi year though we have made some new designs and mods to current designs which we will be sharing shortly. Im sure our engineers would find your suggestions useful. Ill be changing my vote to approve.

thanks so much :) again, sorry if it came off a bit brutal!

It would appear the loomio page is slightly bugged, the issue is still unknown, let me know if you see this message and you might have a solution. The page blanks quite a bit of itself, and is missing certain comments.

@Donna Zimmerman you've mentioned something about a repository for test results? Anything I can do to help? What was that meant to end up as?

Hello Alexander,

I worked with Maria Esquela and set up on the Enable Alliance Website to call for tests. Look here
https://enablealliance.org/ under “get involved”. I put a couple requests there for people to test hands under particular parameters and share their results. I requested that people fill out a form in order to share
data that they had taken. Unfortunately, other than the examples that Eric Bubar and I put on there, no one submitted any data. Perhaps no one could find this link?

Please let me know what else I can answer.

Donna Zimmerman

Department Chair, Advanced Automation and Robotics Technology and Industrial Technology

Ivy Tech Community College

3501 First Avenue

Evansville, Indiana 47710

(812)429-1468 ( tel:%28812%29429-1468 )

https://ivytech.zoom.us/j/8202952613 by appointment

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Donna and Alex,

I'm not sure what's going on, but when I go to https://enablealliance.org/ I giet this warning from my malware protection:

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Maybe that's why more people haven't used it? This is the first time I've seen a site blocked like this.

Note I'm emailing this... I could post if you'd like. I wonder if anybody else has problems???

Thanks,
Leland

Thank you Leland. I will look into it.

Donna Zimmerman

Part 1 is finally finished. I am in the middle of a mental health month long break, but I wanted to scratch this off for a while.

Links and what they contain:

https://hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-devices/wiki/page/view?title=Designs+awaiting+approval+and+test+builds - category of designs awaiting approval and page tests, also a prototype of the new overhauled device menu.

https://hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-devices/wiki/page/view?title=Design+page+template#null -current device template, but transferred to be available on the platform too.

https://hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-devices/wiki/page/view?title=Device+%3CX%3E+description+page - new device template, including the engineering list and new design (note the index on the left as well, to help navigate)

https://hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-devices/wiki/page/view?title=Fusion+Hand+-+awaiting+confirmations+and+modifications#null - Dean Rock's device, awaiting confirmation and more data

https://hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-devices/wiki/page/view?title=Oded+Hand+-+awaiting+confirmation+and+tests#null - Oded hand, from Haifa3D

(Both hands are done with the old template, as advised by Jon and Jeremy)

https://hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-devices/wiki/page/view?title=Phoenix+hand+v3+-prototype+page- - (incomplete data) Phoenix v3 updated page. The new data can also be left as a request for the community to do.

I have one or 2 new incoming devices to be added as well.

Looking forward to feedback!

The project is finally FINISHED!

• The final implementation is using a public Google Form (used by anyone) to add devices, which converts to a Google Sheets (accessed only by the admin), which in turn generates Hub Device pages (with admin approval), by using a script made by Mazvydas, and using a custom template, which can be relatively easily modified for all pages to be updated.

• The new template can be seen used in (almost) any of the recommended devices, in the All devices page. At the time of writing, pages are still doubled, awaiting decision to delete the old ones.

• All the spaces for Deliverables Part 3 have been integrated in the pages themselves, to prevent the creation of unpopulated parts of the hub.

• The red markers on the pages indicate places where the community can contribute and help us understand more about our devices, even without building one for a user.

Form view: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSemn_W-XpGMJr2r3jBrhfHJlTgtLq8LwaUKm3TPmEtXhzJIJw/viewform

The processes are documented in the User Guide, available here: https://www.overleaf.com/read/bhcfpndbqfyv (download the pdf)

The process is also available in step-by-step video format here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THhTvoyWmqs

The Devices Menu visual overhaul is yet to be linked as the main page, but is currently available here: https://hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-devices/wiki/page/view?title=All+devices

The closing decision and final presentation of this project can be found here, as part of the Town Hall meeting from 21 January 2022:

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Slides used in the presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gsEFlRS1I1KoahhtVb0rkIvBb8GTH0ViRFuamCzdGmE/edit?usp=sharing

The form, spreadsheet, and importer, as a backup, are also linked in the User Guide.