Gathering #10 February 25, 2021 - Where do we go from here?

To me a long wait for response is totally acceptable.

1) The trust analogy is most alive for me when thinking about childhood friends; I barely talk with them these days but they are also those closest to my heart. Taking the space to respond at an appropriate moment would signify more trust rather than less.

3) Its been a while since I've read it but I'm thinking of the section where the protagonist sees a bouy and incorrectly assumes his true location on the river. Thus mistaking the map for the territory. I find this analogy fitting because we often assume that our lived experience is representative of reality, when in fact its often just confirmation bias.

4) Our positions are probably closer than you think but your probably correct regarding which ends of the polarity we occupy. I'm not die hard on independence, I just don't like being dependent. I reconcile these with the term inter-dependence, the loosely coupled version of both. I also don't have the belief that I can do it all alone, but when it comes to coding I'm on the dependent side of the spectrum; this asymmetry allows others to dictate the map. With a degree of independence I can play the "ok, you do it your way, I'll do it my way card" when in deadlock - as opposed to argument, compromise or submission (no issues on 'submission' if the direction is good but I'm unable to follow bad epidemics and technocratic ideologies).

6) Commitment to each other, yes. Commitment to something else, maybe, I don't know.

7) 🎉

3: I don't remember a buoy scene ... but I was reminded of this:

For a while he had wondered why his boat always seemed to stop in the oldest part of each city it came to, and then he realized that … small boats stopping right there is what got the city started in the first place.

I sometimes feel that in the conversation around biases there is a tendency to forget that there ARE real currents underneath it all.

4: I hear you. I am more drawn to finding more and better pathways for collaborative deadlocks. Having tried it (a lot, too much?), I feel keenly aware of the price and limitations of the "I'll just do it on my own" escape. I believe it is a better investment to tend to the limitations of collaboration than to compensate for it only to encounter the limitations of what one person can do.

1. Hmm, its possible I'm mistaken then as given your prompt it seems I've forgotten a fair chunk of the book; time for a reread! I do agree on real currents though, that's how they form in the first place, I've found it to often be a matter of scale/exposure!

2. I often feel the same way

Having tried it (a lot, too much?)

But am luckily enough to have found friends and faith on the way. There is inspiration out there! (Just 1/10 people is probably my immediacy bias; in reality its probably less!)

I believe it is a better investment to tend to the limitations of collaboration than to compensate for it only to encounter the limitations of what one person can do.

I think its probably both; I'm sure there's a 70/30 principle at play! I feel our focus is probably at different ends of the spectrum right no - but that doesn't mean it can't be complimentary :)

Thank you @Alex Rodriguez @Ronen Hirsch @Josh Fairhead for your detailed and generous replies. My post was motivated by the group's interest in my comment on the possibilities of funding I envisioned after going through the generative process, and I think that it has been generative itself. None of the ideas are concrete proposals yet, none of them are urgent paths to follow in the short term as I feel things now. I just wanted to offer more optionality to our cherished crew.

I took note of all the concerns expressed around these ideas. All legitimate yet (in my perspective) solvable under certain conditions.

A lot to unpack in your answer as well, @Ronen Hirsch. I appeal to trust to address your different concerns when we discuss a specific proposal.

While I share most of your matters of concern and I treasure that you expressed them, I feel that they could be framed in a more generative and still negative way (let us remember that our crew celebrates the old "via negativa"!). I would like to have a conversation with you (open of course to the rest of the crew that may want to join us) on what value is and how it can flow without compromising our "values", even when it is exchanged in the form of money.

I'm soooo here for a value theory conversation with you all! @Toni Blanco do you know David Graeber's Towards an Anthropological Theory of Value: The False Coin of Our Own Dreams?

Of course I do!!