Moving this comment out of context because I think it speaks to the context if the overall thread more than where it lay. What do you mean my exoteric in this comment?

I agree that there are naming practices that reinforce a specific historical outlook on diversity and ignores or disparages indigenous knowledge. Doing some research appropriately into the collected knowledge of different cultures and recognizing how limited our current knowledge might be, will of course be important.

It might also be why speaking about Operational Taxonomic Units would be a powerful concept in a proposed class looking at taxonomic issues in mycology (unless I'm missing the mark here; I'm not super savvy with fungi).

after teaching taxonomy for the first time this year to UG, i think it would be valuable to give a more equitable presentation to achieve a more exoteric basis for use. The naming and classification is archaic and lacks meaningful awareness to involve underrepresented communities. It turns into a rabbit hole that maintains dominant practices. There is a lot of room in the space for growth.

More on the cannabis topic. I found out growers send out their leaf samples not to grow the wrong gender of cannabis. So they do DNA sex-typing and get rid of male plants, meaning there's an avenue to become a middleman for that testing for sex/gender selection. To increase numbers, they then clone the female plants.

Since every household is allowed 6 plants per person, and you can't drive, take the train, walk the streets without getting a heavy saturation of it in the air that could translate into lot of testing on cite with an ad slogan, Don't grow the wrong plant.

I don't know how seed distributors can know, but some are guaranteeing female only seeds. Maybe these are seeds of polyploids.

By the way, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radula_marginata , a liverwort produces cannabinoids. How about carrying its production into the Open Plant Project?

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I found out that cannabis got legalized. What do you think about shaping a course around that topic instead of fungus? Growers will come. Not a lot of states can get their hands on this course material yet, creating a niche. How about it?

https://flowerhire.com/a-bumper-crop-of-cannabis-classes/ NYBG is doing it.

Oh man, my partner has been somewhat interested in watching these videos and I have come to the realization that because they are being actively released they represent a type of targeting we can do

on the other hand too many primer sets in one rxn tube could be disaster

I really like thought that a lively emeritus professor might be a good outside source. We could make a list of them and interview them for types of questions they think could be adapted into simple workshops that illustrate an important concept about biotech and are tied to specific bench skills.

Sure! I think that is possible.

There might be scientific complications in making these phylogenies though given the commercial interest in this product. Or maybe consumers don't know enough to demand any better (until they've purchased it and it's too late).

About the dog idea; you mean there is potential to be price competitive and more accurate. Hand the test to a liquid handling robot protocol once 96 well plate full of samples.

I like this idea of community projects to solve lesser-known biological mysteries. I think most experienced scientists will have some experiments or analysis they wish would be done but are unlikely to be for some reason. I think lively emeritus professors might be a good outside source.

There is the more serious appeal for funding where you try to invent something or answer some questions of interest for a large preexisting community. But there is also the less serious side where you attempt to entertain/educate on youtube. Who wants to be a youtube science star? I am not joking about this, not that I'm volunteering. ;) But counter-culture, citizen scientists pursuing mysteries could be pretty picturesque, provided the mysteries are not too obscure. With an entertainment angle, it seems you might get a much larger audience and more money eventually if you have the stomach for it.

As for the dog idea, there are a bunch of quite pricey ($100 -$150) kits that you can get on Amazon. Judging from the reviews, people think the tests are inaccurate, and looking at some of the posted dog photos, I have to agree. And, relatively often, your dog is just classified as a 'super-mutt', which means they had nothing informative to say. We just adopted a rescue puppy, but I decided against the tests since they seemed expensive and silly.

could we assay pet stool in a meaningful way to provide simple bio marker trends? TOI include cAMP, microbiota, glucose, water %.

Actually i think both of those are within what I described, the first is people wanting to acquire a new skill for whatever reason, maybe to find a new job that requires skills they don't have. the folks in the second example are people that would be in the network of SMEs that we would contact. I'm not sure those taking a course would want to from a teacher that is teaching the course a s away to learn how to teach something.

Yes that is certainly how I conceptualize the programming that we offer. But I also have observed two other motivations for programming:

• exposing topics to the public they may have otherwise not come into contact with (especially in the context of the lab bench and research) and connecting it to their experiences

• giving folks in specialized disciplines the opportunity to teach in a different setting to develop their skills, learn from the community and promote their causes

I am familiar with the process of creating and delivering course material but less with the process of identifying folks who would be in need or interested in certain material.

ok. I am assuming that within BWoB competencies/services will be the ability to produce different types of courses, and workshops in response to demand . depending on the topic and course level BWoB's staff will teach courses or they tap into their network of subject matter expert volunteers to teach a class or workshop. is that roughly correct?

I'm not asking for anything directly. I'm trying to gauge interest in creating a workshop that caters to a specific community in anticipation of a crowdfunding campaign. We don't necessarily need our own lab space to create a workshop.

I have experience in making workshops/executing them. And it's easy for me to learn the details of a specific topic. I actually have an undergraduate course project in mind to adapt into a workshop that could speak to issues in taxonomy that could be clarified by phylogeny. @Craig Trester and I did a (IMO, under developed) class like it some time ago. That could also be a good starting point to work from.

The point is to teach people something useful that would get them interested in using a lab space and yes I do imagine that as feeding interest into some sort of crowd-funding campaign.

i watched the video but i'm not sure what you are asking. Are you asking how to make classes or workshops interesting to a broad audience? Are you asking that about a specific topic? is the point here that you would showcase this in a crowd funding campaign?

People like tangible subjects. One that is near and dear to a lot them is their pet. I'd do it to mycology if it was compost, maybe wall molds, and sickly soil sample related,

Yeah, 39andmyMutt.

There is only a ton of dog lovers in tristate area (if you are doing an in person class), who'd love to find out where their dog is coming from or if pedigree of a dog holds true to the name. Another thing is that when you walk your dog and never even notice who the puppy daddy is 😆. In the dog owner world, the owner blinks and that's that.

WGS would need supplies we don't typically have. So I'm thinking 18S, but choosing other marker genes is an important theoretical consideration in phylogeny.

Dogs are a good idea if you know the right community for it. It makes me think about something like 23andMe but for dogs and DIY.

so you'll do a primer led class? or WGS? I tossed Genspace an idea once. Dan did nothing with it. "people have all kinds of muts" I said. "Do dog barcoding." I think some other lab is doing that now but there is space for more than one lab doing it, I believe.