Burn dates
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This year the dates on the tickets show Nest ending Sunday 5th June. The assumption is therefore this is the day most members will leave site, and therefore people are expecting to go to work on Monday.
In 2018 tickets also showed that the end of the event was a Sunday (10th June in that case). The temple burn was held on Sunday night and therefore lots of people (almost certainly including most newbies who didn't know that temple burn is traditionally a Sunday) missed this key community event.
To avoid a similar situation, I propose that that the burns are held Friday and Saturday evenings. (Or alternatively the dates on the tickets be changed to finish on Monday, and this to happen fast as holiday bookings are already going in)
Entropy Sat 12 Feb 2022 8:52AM
I would add Temple on Friday Effigy on Saturday to the poll. It feels Saturday is the day for the Effigy when everybody gets together, even the people who join later, and see it burn. It is like the main event, and then Sunday people pack. It is fine if we move the temple burn, that does not mean we have to move the Effigy day.
Flix Goncalez Wed 23 Feb 2022 11:19PM
Personally, Sunday is symbolic, relating to the end of the week, a poignant and significant reference to the final act of a global community in celebration, metaphoric and meditative, it’s ritual, oddly now part of my psyche but somehow this day, importantly connects me to the pattern and Sunday Temple Burn ritual at Blackrock.
Roofie Wed 23 Feb 2022 1:03PM
There seems to be confusion over the dates of the event. That is what needs addressing, not the format of the event it is in that format for a reason. It has always been a Mon-Mon event and Temple has always burned Sunday. The culture must be preserved.
Nick Staines Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
Having the Temple burn on Sunday works as a great ending to the whole event,
Jen Evans Tue 22 Feb 2022 11:09AM
I imagine many people (myself included) will need to leave on Sunday to get home for work or other commitments - doing the burns Fri/Sat means everyone can participate and also be around for at least some of strike on the Sunday
Philip Whittaker Tue 22 Feb 2022 12:04AM
I'm lucky as I can come off-site Monday, however I appreciate the issue so I also have no problem for the alternative solution.
Dani Mon 21 Feb 2022 3:50PM
With Thursday as a Bank Holiday as well, Friday could easily be a big party night. Do temple burn Saturday at sunset, we can heal and reflect, use that temple energy to be grateful, then turn it around to party town with the weight lifted and a feeling of community connection ❤️ then a nice drive home Sunday afternoon for work on Monday!
Case Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
I having the temple on Saturday "shortens" the festival by one day the tickets and comms should say that it ends on Monday rather than everyone being off site Sunday as has been communicated. Third option: have the temple burn first
Lexy Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
Monday is not a bank holiday this year so makes most of Thur/Fri bank holidays. Also I believe Fri also has late licence or at least can be requested in the TEN application.
Alison Forrester Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
Tripping hippies around the fire is dangerous. People tend to have their big trip on Fridays.
Paul Taylor Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
Tickets on Quicket (at least) say the event ends 5pm Sunday, which I think most people have taken to mean 'all off site by this time unless you are assisting with Strike'. Assuming this is untrue based on discussions here, then prefer to stick with the usual days for the burns to fit with late licence etc. Please can Comms push out clarification on when the event ends and update Quicket.
Alex Macklen Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
I don't see a reason to move them. Everyone gets an extra day off which I'll take on Monday and complete strike and head off in the day, its a fairly long drive in my van don't want to drive in the dark. We should all be done by then no problem.
Allan Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
Vote changed to Effigy Sat & Temple Sun as we don't actually need to be off-site till Mon. So there doesn't seem now to be a reason to make any change to the usual practice of Temple burn on Sun.
Perhaps we just need to emphasise more the actual dates we need to be off-site inorder to ensure people plan their leaving date & don't mistakenly rush off before the Temple burn.
Lucy Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
I’d be ok with either, but my preference is Temple burn on Sun. Sat night is party night :) However, if everyone has to be off site by Sunday, then not many people will be able to make it for the Temple burn as it’ll be a late drive back for a lot of folks… which isn’t fun when you’re hanging. Even if people do take Sunday off work, if there’s nowhere to camp then they’d have to go home anyway. Is there anywhere for people camp on the Sunday night?
Paul Phare Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
I agree with the Links that the party night should be on Saturday with the Effigy Burn and Sunday night Temple as usual. We should make sure newbies understand that this will be happening and they may need to take Monday off work
Ali Puddle Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
Am I being bananas, or don't we have to be off site by EOD on the Sunday? Don't understand how we would burn and strike if effigy sat and temple sun?
xavier dubruille Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
EDIT TO EXPAND MY REASONING :
1) Friday is cabaret day!
2) thw jmportance of the temple as a place and not only a burn .... the temple us a place to meditate and also to remember the departed souls (and god knows how many left these last two years, if we burn on friday, it will be only ashes(also bad for really late arrival)
3) quick 'cause limit temple burn is ultimate thing, it is time to recollect all memories and connection made in we.
Entropy Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
I would not change the burn day of the Effigy. I would leave that on Saturday. If people do not want to miss the temple burning, maybe the temple can burn on Friday.
Lizzie Shand Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
This will allow those who have to work on the Monday to have the full Nest experience.
Sarah Furness Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
we can get home for work on monday
Roger Smalley Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:32PM
So that people who work on Monday won't miss it.
Poll Created Wed 9 Feb 2022 8:31PM
Burn days Closed Tue 1 Mar 2022 8:49PM
Response from Links with regard to changing the days for Effigy and Temple Burn
A discussion was held between the Links to take a view on how the proposal might affect our plans. While we all understand the issue, a number of points in response to the proposal were rasied:
We have a late licence for Saturday night and it's usual a big party night. The Temple Burn is a quiet, contemplative event and usually closes the festival. It might therefore feel a bit odd for people to pick up the party after the Temple Burn.
The proposal will effecitvely shorten the festival by one day
It would provide more people to help with Strike on the Sunday
Please can folks respond to this and it will be picked up again at the next Links meeting
Results
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Effigy Saturday & Temple Sunday | 55.8% | 29 |
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Effigy Friday & Temple Saturday | 44.2% | 23 |
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| Undecided | 0% | 114 |
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52 of 166 people have participated (31%)
Paul Phare Mon 21 Feb 2022 2:53PM
I don't think anyone was told they couldn't stay until Monday, just that the festival finishes on the Sunday, which it does after the Temple Burn usually.
Allan Mon 21 Feb 2022 2:51PM
That's fair.
It may be I'm used to amenable employers that I presume such things are easily amendable, though of course that's not true for all.
Case Mon 21 Feb 2022 2:38PM
I would argue that the fact that most people do not know we can all stay on site to Monday and will have booked holiday accordingly so will miss the temple burn is a good reason to change dates
Allan Tue 1 Feb 2022 2:56PM
Agree with Case. Also good spot, I didn't even look at the dates.
EDIT - Vote changed due to new information. We don't need to be off-site till Mon so I can't now see a reason to change the dates, though we should publicise this fact so people can plan appropriately & don't rush off on Sunday & miss the Temple burn.
Simon Edwards Tue 1 Feb 2022 9:10AM
Agree with Case. It was disappointing to miss the temple burn in 2017 for this reason. I think if you want a solid attendance at the Temple burn then it can't be on strike day. I think with the Thur/Fri being bank holidays we're more likely to see people show up earlier in the week and doing a burn on Fri & Sat is less of an issue.
Paul Phare Mon 31 Jan 2022 2:45PM
Thanks Case, that a good suggestion. We'll discuss at the next meeting on 15th Feb and get back to you. If any other members of the community would like to comment it would be good to hear your thoughts on this
Allan · Fri 18 Feb 2022 1:53PM
Just for clarity (as I am not clear on this) what is the situation re last day? Is it:
1) we have to be off site on Sunday, meaning Sunday is strike day & everything/one is down & packed up & off site by end of day Sun;
or 2) that Sun is the last day but folk are still allowed on site for strike on Mon & everyone & thing is off-site end of day Mon.