Use of Trust Cloud To Confirm Community Transparency & Validate Current Admins

I'm not sure you read the proposal & what voting a BLOCK means.

Games are great but not why I'm here comrades

TO refresh you on the choices & what voting block means

VOTING:

YES= This is a great idea, Ill make one now!
ABSTAIN= The idea is good, Ill make one if Im already an admin, otherwise.. eh
NO= The idea is not good, Im not making one
BLOCK= I’m a mole gaming OWS pls BAN Me

Was the description writer/editor on the Friday call, or did he listen to it? (not sure who put in the description) I disagree with the statement made. Anonymous and the Zapatistas use masks for a reason; I would honor their perception of danger and/or their intention to put focus on their cause rather than themselves.

Sally please go look at Trust Cloud. It uses platforms you already use. No need to inject your personal politics or to speak for others during a conversation about establishing community trust in a very narrow setting.

Handling community resources & personal anonymity are two separate matters. If you are going to front line an online asset you cannot do so from behind monikers & multiple accounts.

In the end this is not about 'life situations' but movement work flow.

Good points, Justin. I will check it out.

I signed up and have a score of 748 https://trustcloud.com/!/Matericia

I signed up and have a score of 722.
https://trustcloud.com/!/hong.pilgyu

What happens for those not on Facebook, Linked In, etc.? The site indicates that the service is “currently free”, which suggests possibility of being a paid service in the future—we will be finished with NatGat by then, of course, so may be moot. Do we know anything more about the founders? There is not much actual company information on the page.

Folks not on FB & Twitter wont be stepping up to manage the social media.

#StatonTopic?

Ps these sites will always be free. Please check the parinoia. Not relevant here to the topic of transparency in relation to admin access of assets

I hope that you are right about continual free service; I understand that those not on sites such as Facebook, Twitter, etc., not asking for control of those NatGat accounts, but Loomio might be an exception to that, as discussions appear somewhat self-contained.

Justin, having block defined as "I'm a troll..." or "I'm a racist..." makes the whole poll seem like a snarky waste of time. If you want me to take your polls seriously you need to define options that don't assume your side is good and any other opinion is evil

How do we know the trust cloud is not run by the NSA?

@jemcgloin

Please read the proposal.

This is only for people stepping up for social media.

Another Occupier told me about these multiple accounts and that is not just silly, it is unacceptable. How can we ever have trust when we find out that some people have multiple accounts? That being said, i now have 2 accounts myself because i could not ever log into the old one, so now i have this new one. The old one is non-accessible so if it cannot be removed, then it will look like i have 2 accounts, even though i will just use this one.

Anonymous people are fine, obviously, ... unless they start being assholes. i agree that for the most part ... peeps should be as real as they can to impart trust. When information is Googled that casts doubt upon the veracity of an Occupier's identity, trust will always be affected unless there is truthfulness and transparency. That is why the founding patriarchs were wise to include Freedom of the Press in the First Amendment. The press was intended to act as an unbiased "check" for lies and corruption. Have you noticed the difference in our calls since having a journalist on them to make sure that everyone is accountable? It's interesting, isn't it? <3

Actually, Donna, I really have not noticed that big a difference. Journalism in large part is not what it once was, of course; “our guys” aside. MSM has been so corrupted itself that the so-called “alternative media” has sprung up to do what once was respected journalistic work. Embedded reporters in military zones are extreme examples. (BTW, I had a fairly long discussion with Jerry, the reporter on our calls—he is doing his homework.)

Jerry is a goof. The guy has three facebook accounts. Don't get me started lolz. Link me as you all plug into trust cloud. seems you can give + in skills ect.. kinda neat the way it links into the ideas of gift economies with it.. check out some of the platforms you can use with it- the free ones, naturally.

People could be an admin of Loomio who aren’t on any other social media and therefore wouldn’t have a meaningful trust score. Some of us have built trust over several/many years, based on what we do, what we've added, how we listen, how we be, how we aid others in empowering themselves, and more -- and it would take years to replicate that in social media.

Justin, you completely blew off my concern, which was based on a reasoned suspicion of push polling.
Polls that make it obvious what the "right" answer is, have no scientific validity, except to try to shape people's opinion, which is not what a poll is supposed to do.
This fact is not dependent on what wg one is in.

Oh and Justin, read your own proposal. It doesn't say that this is limited to "people stepping up for social media."

This isn't a poll.

Blocking is not an option if you could take the time to read the proposal @jemcgloin!

great convo going & and neat seeing folks give the love on trust cloud with the +k system.

very cool.

But you're using a polling/decision making tool, but saying that you're not doing a poll/proposal. Doesn't seem like a great tool for that purpose.

If you only look at it that way.

Loomio like the Occupy Organizational spaces that gave birth to it is a place for facilitated discussions within a framework of consensus based decision making...

It allows for inclusive & transparent dialog that is accessible to new & old stakeholders unlike the listserves.

Coming to consensus is a process, not a poll. Depending on the context the tools are quite flexible: from modified consensus to spokes councils.. it all flows from discussion & being able to adapt depending on the mater/ issue at hand.

I'd suggest joining the Loomio Group- they are asking for input on the next features to the platform, including be able to customize the options for weighing in on things.

Stepping up to be responsible for group resources involves a need for transparency & accountability.

People who want to preserve their anonymity would not be on social media or asking for Admin status.

#justsaying

Eh, I have a klout score I never check and it goes up all the time.. Every box I have gets a new ID, so not much with OMG you have more than one ID People that know me can find me.. Waves to the friendly that found me driod.... these are not the droids you are looking for move along....

That said I love tests! And nifty new ways to measure me!

I am quantum :)

Nevertheless, there is a time for anonymity and then there is not.
Anonymous ( proper) actions have already been discussed and recused.
That said, I am having to low key my locations to protect my internet.
Quite a conundrum here.

Even so, that does not even begin to address the master skills of corporate PR firms to create cover
http://oolith.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/from-the-desk-of-jco-research-notes/ <<< just the easiest to find

Sorry folks, any test can be shammed, for the most part.
This test is just one of many things you should weigh when concluding if a person/s or group is a honey pot, shill, dog, cat, wolf, sheep, ad nausum

/me puts some lube on and gets me card.
I loved [redacted] before he [redacted] so why wouldn't I

Whoo hoo! @justin2 donate $10 so I can get my trust cloud score higher.

I got 748. that will do. I at least matched @triciafromphilly , i wanted top, but I do not feel like entering emails, right now.
I could get top score if @justin2 would chip in $10 for myTrustCheck :'(

Awesome you made a Trust Cloud profile- Care to link us to it & weigh in on the proposal @juliaclark?

It is under Oolith , one of my normal names. If the thing works like to says you should be able to find it @justin2 . Maybe that is what the $10 they asked for is for

Hmm does not seem to work so good when I put in Justin Stone-Diaz you did not exist.... @justin2

@cal how is this discrimination? People who don't use FB & Twitter would not have ability or interest to admin those platforms. Having first hand experience with Social Media is a prerequisite for taking on additional responsibility isn't it? It's about Transparency & Accountability to our communities.

But aren't you talking about Loomio? Your proposal begins: "There are people running multiple accounts on Loomio..." (not FB & Twitter). It seems to me that a person who has had first hand experience being responsible for admin'ing forums and online would seem well qualified. FB and Twitter were neither the first nor the only such things.

Great seeing folks on Trust Cloud!

@justin2 spot me a $10 to get my #'s higher on there .
I bet you could comp me that tenner on the trust cloud site. :)

@juliaclark I am not sure what you are talking about. Good luck on that

Ofc you don't .

Julia you seem to have alot of time to spend on this & trolling others.

We could really use your energies focused on the discussions & work ahead.

Thanks for your time & look forward to supporting your efforts.

Justin quit singling me out for your hate. K' thanks in advance.

@juliaclark That is ironic as I just asked you why you were doing the same.

How about you focus on the work on not on trolling people actually doing work lolz.

#PlayNice & Get over your negative self centered humor.

#BacktoWork, Comrade

Quit sniffing my skirts!!!
Take your self-praise glory blackhole and suck someone else. Cheers
And do not forget your Easter bunny costume.

trust noun 1. firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something.

Obviously the Trust Cloud does not engender trust. That has to be built the old fashioned way.

Trust is built during each interaction and by being reliable, strong, loyal and kind.

It's destroyed at every insult, instance of deception and underhanded act.

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Nowplaying...

Rolling Stones - Get Off My Cloud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgWUi-ozMAU

The Rolling Stones - Under The Radar (2005)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR8ddafSomA

o:-)