What do we mean when we say "Open"?

Flickr, though not open source itself, does a pretty good job of supporting Creative Commons licences... Instagram (and Flickr and many other web services) is built with and depends on open source software, but is not itself open source... For what it's worth, I use Flickr for a private family photo collection.

@megansalole @davelane I think it is a great idea! We will have a professional photographer - but crowd sourcing the images that people take during the day would be awesome!

How does it work on Flicker - can you just have a hashtag and it all complies in one place.

Wonder if @simonjarvis has some ideas?

@megansalole interesting questions about measuring the success of businesses. I agree that assessing them purely on financial performance is very short sighted and, I believe, creates very perverse (and socially detrimental) incentives. Are you aware of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_bottom_line - Don't know much about it myself yet, but apparently some interesting TBL processes have been developed here in NZ (although it hasn't focused on "openness" as such, so far as I know).

@davelane that's a good idea to appeal to the TBL folk and ask that open values be included.

@silviazuur @megansalole tweet wall is a possibility: https://tweetwall.com/tour

@megansalole of course, we also have to determine what "open values" are :)

@megansalole and @davelane I would be interest to know what the TBL processes developed in NZ. I am pretty sure TBL does not have a focus open, I am thinking of it from the point of view of a Chartered Accountant, I had a look at the GRI (Global reporting imitative) which produces Sustainability Reporting Guidelines, that Accountants use. but there are many other ways to do it. https://www.globalreporting.org/Pages/default.aspx

Given the context, @charmainemeyers, I note the irony of the Globalreporting site being sponsored by Microsoft...

@megansalole @davelane & @charmainemeyers FYI, the Creative Commons mothership has launched a project researching open business models: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/45022

Note that 'open' for CC primarily means 'openly licensing the stuff you make', though orgs that use open licensing often embraces other forms of openness.

@davelane instead of posting a separate Loomio discussion for your keynote talk (as I have been for some of the others) I have updated this discussion to reflect your keynote. Hope that works for you! There's already such a rich discussion here that I didn't want to fork it.

Fair enough @alanna. I'll flesh out my thoughts on it over the next couple days.

Obviously, I didn't do much fleshing prior to the conference... For those who weren't there, my talk (and speaker's notes are there - hit "s" when looking at the slides) is at https://pres.lane.net.nz/what-is-open

Loved the notes from your talk @davelane , and the "Openwashing" article link! So glad you were part of OS//OS 2015, and I'm looking forward to video footage (probably sometime soon).

Many thanks, @gregorycassel, I thoroughly enjoyed myself - revitalising to be amongst such principled, upstanding folk.

Open means that one person has insight, and they have to get it out.
Genius flows, issues are identified, investigation & planning is done, creation is started, developments, and then when that one who did something can outwardly see that this vision/dream/conviction/idea/grand scheme is WAY TOO BIG & impossible for them to do, or even 100 people -
Then they get to the place where they must invite the world to be involved and open it up.

eg: I openly shared a book a few years, ago and published it because I realised that no one government department, business or team of well paid gurus could make it (it is too big, too important, and highly subject to change)..

Kia ora koutou

I didn't have anything to add at the time but have been reading bits and pieces about manifestations of "open"... This has a bunch of philosophical discussion and interesting field studies of Wikipedia

http://www.publicbooks.org/nonfiction/open-markets-open-projects-wikipedia-and-the-politics-of-openness

That link certainly offers valid critiques of implicit power structures, @isabellacawthorn1 , particularly at Wikipedia. On a related note, I personally think that every adult human should read The Tyranny of Structurelessness which is 45 years old now! Personal trust and credibility are invaluable concepts, but they've been too broadly associated with irrational tribalism and privileged inequalities of creative resources.

I truly think that our evolving peer-to-peer networking tech and culture can help us to evolve a truer democracy and 'natural selection' of information, ideas and actions, along with self-organizing principles which foster personal freedom and collective opportunity on all scales of collaborative activity.

Hmm, maybe 'open organization' and 'democracy' can be nearly synonymous?

Give feedback on the Open Government Partnership - closes end of August 2015

New Zealand is part of the Open Government Partnership (OGP), a group of countries working to make government more open, accountable and responsive to citizens.

The NZ government has created a 2 year Action Plan showing how it’s going to promote open and transparent government in New Zealand. They’re asking for feedback on the Action Plan, to find out if New Zealanders think that the government’s meeting the OGP goals.

The OGP are doing another round of consultation ending in June 2016.

Our signing up to the D5 charter is interesting too as it specifically mentions Open Source as one of the principles. Would be interesting to hear about how D5 and OGP fit together and what initiatives can help us achieve good things in both.

When asked what progress the NZ gov't has made on moving towards the goals of the D5 Charter, Hon Peter Dunne said "my officials are looking into it"... I've got a call in to the GCIO to discuss it (as Dunne's main "official")... but he's on annual leave until next week. Seems like the NZGOAL-SE has some nice tie-ins (being discussed in an adjoining Loomio Group...).

For the record, if the gov't doesn't mandate the use of open standards for all gov't software/IT procurement, everything else is just rearranging the deckchairs. Thankfully (from the risk averse gov't's point of view) a few other countries have already taken that plunge with positive results, e.g. the UK and Netherlands... My case is here: https://openstandards.nz

Any news on the campaign to get the NZ govt to go OpenStandards too?

Hi Strypey, it's a "slow burn" initiative... if people haven't seen it, the case for mandated open standards in gov't software procurement is here (personally, I think the status quo is scandalous, and if people really understood the current "accepted practice" they'd be outraged, but sadly few seem to care): https://openstandards.nz as is a list of "co-signers" - if you agree with the our request to gov't, by all means please sign on! In other news, I'm part of a group of leaders from about a dozen national NZ technology organisations (we've got the working title of "Tech Leaders' Forum") and we've been putting together a "Tech Industry Manifesto" which will be published in the next few weeks, in the lead up to the NZ national election - in it, we lay out our recommendations for the next government, and we will aim to get parties adopting as many of them as possible (the Manifesto is non-partisan). Among the policy requests is the mandating of open standards, and we also draw specific attention to the D5 Charter, it's excellent goals, and the lack of visible progress towards it by NZ so far...

What a great initiative! I've been thinking for a while that a non-partisan lobby group uniting all the disparate tech groups in Aotearoa was needed. Good on you folk for making it happen. If the Manifesto is something people can sign onto like the OpenStandards demand, I'd be keen to check it out and considering signing it on behalf of Disintermedia.

Nice one :) - I'm planning to float the finished document to the NZOSS Open Chat list for comment prior to us formally launching it. Due to the complexity of changes (given all the parties involved) the objective will be a "yea or nay" on the NZOSS' support of the document and its recommendations.

Fair enough. I've considered getting back on OpenChat but TBH, although I enjoy the diverse and thoughtful exchanges that happen there, it sends me more email than I really have time to deal with at present. I try to remember to check in using the web interface now and then, but I inevitably miss a lot of stuff in the flow.

If there is a Loomio group for NZOSS, or for free code and open source advocacy in Aotearoa generally, I'd be keen to engage that way. I find Loomio a bit more manageable for some reason. Which reminds me, I must clear some time to catch up on what's happening with the guidance notes that were being drafted in the NZGOAL-SE group (@camfindlay1 ).

Open = Trust