Sunday would turn into strike day with lots of people leaving before the temple burn.

Not competing for leave allowance with colleagues who have children

My colleagues take school holiday dates.

Impact upon strike

I think we should consider more factors beyond only moving the week e.g. also moving the burn days to be Fri/Sat to allow a clear non-working day for camp strike and departure.

I wouldn't be able to make Nest if the dates change, as would the majority of my theme camp's crew.

Better availability for strike and more people from my camp able to attend.

Tough one, changing the date would allow individuals and camps that haven't been able to attend in years to return and has the potential to allow more new burners to join in. I don't think it should be a permanent change but I would love to be able to participate at least every couple of years. 🤗

I am a school teacher and i wish to be able to attend the full event

As a teacher I'd have to leave on the Saturday morning and miss both burns in order to get back in time to work, and it would be a pretty grim week without any recovery time. I'd support a Friday to Friday option also if there was one, but at the moment I am able to get to Nest for the second half, support strike, and make my way back down to earth in good time. My enjoyment of the whole event would be massively impacted knowing that I'd have to leave my camp early to solo drive back.

A yes to try another date. The date change does not affect me personally but giving a different groups of people the opportunity to attend feels a good thing to do (and alternating each year seems like a decent compromise) - it's a shame that it seems like an all or nothing decision. As Allan has already said it may have an impact on folks staying for temple burn and strike, but if we don't try, we won't know (other events run successfully and don't end on a bank holiday).

I'm largely ambivalent about the date changes, my concerns are the potential to discourage people from staying for Temple Burn and for (at least the first day of) strike.
In 2018, the only previous time we've had dates outside the May bank holiday (4-11 June) we had a difficult strike (admittedly this was also first time at that site) with many people choosing to leave on Sat or Sun, missing Temple & unable to assist with strike.
That said happy to give it a try, a lot has changed since 2018.

Flim flam are important, but also access for school teachers and parents is also important . The problem with strike if we change the dates could be overcome by running the event Saturday to Saturday

We should tread carefully where changes may fundamentally change the event and exclude a different group. I absolutely do not want that FF can't be there, but my thought is that there may be factors that no1 is anticipating, and we should perhaps just try it to see what happens. I like the idea of alternating each year, so that everyone gets a go, and then maybe it will become clear which way (if any) works best for the community and the event. So yes, for 1y & alternating. Not for a perm move.

I have mixed feelings on this, and maybe its for a separate community discussion. I work in schools and work with children. I think Nest is great. It would be much easier for me personally to join over half term but I think we need to be having a more proactive conversation as a community about safeguarding children at our events if we do end up moving the dates (/ we really probably should be having a more proactive conversation about this anyway) x

Sadly only had bad experiences of people's children at Nest.

flim flam obvs

I adore Flim Flam and they are absolutely one of the best theme camps anywhere. However, aligning with half term affects a much broader spectrum of the community which is really important for Nest as it grows along with its participants. I also like the idea of alternating weeks each year so it creates a balance between families attending and potentially having more people for strike. If this were a permanent change, I may answer differently, but I think it's worth an experiment for 2025

I’m not from Flim flam, but I see them as a real heartbeat of nest, I think them not being there would drastically change the event sadly.

I personally would hate to see Flim Flam absent from Nest

i have teenage kids but would not bring them to Nest ( too much drug use) so easier for me to go if not in half term- though it is of course better for people with younger kids

I think the dates work better around the bank holiday and time off work. It would difficult to attend build if at all. I also really value camp film am.

Reasons outlined in comments

Our camp Flim Flam won’t be able to make it with the new dates :’(

Keep Flim Flam at Nest!

It clashes with many other events happening that next weekend and would prevent many other people from coming including many of those who bring infrastructure.

The clash with FITM and change of bank holiday alignment would mean I might not attend as part of the flim flam theme camp

Flim Flam would not be able to come and would have to find a new annual home for our unique flavour of silliness which would be a mighty shame!

Personal - I like having FlimFlam there, who are a core camp IMO, and the move also means having to take more work holiday for recovery and landing time. Also lots of people take the half term off at my work & they book it in at the start of the year and so I often can’t also have it off and so I likely won’t be able to come if it moves.

Flim Flam silliness & creativity is the heart of Nest for me, it would be so sad if the camp had to pull out. Also to support strike days and have as many people participate as possible on bank hol Monday to share to load

The inability of Flim Flam to attend.

Flimflam won't be able to come because a chunk of the crew have paid work at FITM and all our infrastructure goes there that week.

Voting out of self interest for dates next year, and my theme camp Flim Flam won’t make it else. Also the bank holiday for temple burn and strike is kinda handy. ‘Move it Sunday to Sunday’ idea might not be dealing with fact that pushes build back into the previous week. So…someone’s taking extra annual leave whatever!

However if there was an option of ‘alternate each year to capture maximum access long term’, I would pick that (but hope doesn’t it move next year).

I'm part of Flim Flam, and as many of our core members I go to Fire in the Mountain each year. We won't be able to bring Flim Flam to Nest if the dates change.

Nest is Flim Flam's home, was where I connected with my partner, and we now have a child together, and I definitely want to support families to come! But we wouldn't be one of those families of the dates changed. 😢

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Several reasons: people with families are prioritised for annual leave during school holidays, secondly having significant numbers of minors may cause complaints from parents when adults choose to express themselves in certain ways thereby controlling radical self expression, strike and temple attendance will be affected as folks will want to leave early to get home for the Monday return to school.

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

So I can attend

Mainly so people who work in education can join. Took a couple of points off since it will mess with strike. Love the idea to have the festival Saturday to Saturday, or Friday to Friday if that is an option.

I see pluses and minuses for each camp. Why not alternate each year so that everyone gets an opportunity to attend every other year?

Preference as I got to fitm and want to attend both

As a single parent I cannot leave my children during term time so a move to half term week is the only way I can possibly attend. I am sure this applies to many other Nestlings too, as well as teachers and others working in schools.

Strike numbers - from both a DPW & a theme camp pov. Also re suggestions around moving start day, any move that moves event start into a weekend impacts build crew numbers in the last 2 pre-event days

As it stands we clash with so many mini-Bank Holiday festivals whereas there are fewer first weekend of June festivals (although accept FITM is one of them).

Also gives the opportunity to include those working in education.

I quite like the idea of alternating.

Purely because it would work for my schedule next year

More time for strike/recovery. Less people having to leave early. Less overlap with other events and loss of important camps/people. For many people it works out well to overlap with the long weekend.

I get to enjoy Holiday weekend then come to Nest

If we alternate each year to half term or the week after I think would be best compromise for everyone and larger group of people would be able to attend.

Would changing the dates back and forth every year be an option? e.g one year on half term dates, one year back to original dates. This would give different sets of people an opportunity to engage each year. I also like the idea mentioned of Saturday - Saturday to help with strike, although I do like temple burn being on the Sunday. Thanks for widening the discussion :)

More inclusive for families and teachers who have been excluded for years.

I love the idea of Sunday-Saturday cadence replacing Monday-Sunday.

Worried about loosing support for strike when people leave early

Increase family friendliness

I'd rather keep Nest dates as it is and being able to use the half term week to strike / recover, even if that meant not coming for the whole thing (I work in education).. Flim flam and FITM are pretty special too! I understand good reasons for both sides tho and could be something to trial..

Sorry, personal reason. Same as what Sam said, at work people have to give colleagues who have children to take holiday during half-term first.

I believe if we want to be inclusive, we should allow everyone to attend: families, teachers, etc.

At work, many people in my team have children and they get priority for time off during school holidays. If the date moved to be during school half term, myself and others could be not allowed to have annual leave then and be unable to attend. Also for people who work in tourism, leisure, retail etc, half terms can be the busiest times for their business so they are required to work these dates

Otherwise everyone will leave and strike will be left to only a few people.

More people for strike if keep as is.

Loss of some participants.

I'd like to see more teachers and people with families able to attend if possible, even if it means more annoying travel for me

I don't think it's a simple question.

A proportion of the attendees are entering a phase of their lives when they have school age children with them. It lasts maybe 10 years, but a transition to schoolchild-friendly would likely be permanent. What should happen when those children become teenagers ?

Perhaps it is a great opportunity to instil in those children the values of tolerance and consent. Or perhaps it is an invitation to the likes of the Daily Mail to interfere.

Inclusion for families and educators is a huge reason for moving the dates. Flim flam are a pretty big reason for not!

I am blessed with the freedom to decide whether or not to attend this event... Teachers and families do not get that choice... they cannot legally attend under the status quo. It's sad, because they have so much to offer.

I'm mostly worried about Strike and also the fact that people will leave early so not get to experience Temple burn.

Personal preference due to a clash with annual family activities.