Participatory Budget Discussion

great preparation so far... thx everyone. I like to second Auli's concern about delays. Also I suggest to not nail too many details... it will be a learning process.
I took a look at the speed sheet... no entries yet!
@etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6

@etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6 Only comments are allowed in the spreadsheet. Is the timeline correct or will you change the dates? I would like to put the OSFest Barcelona project. Thanks!!!

Hello guys,

I not reactive, I am deep down in POC21 Setup.

About the timeline, we decide this one because we were already quite late in the planning and as some of you told if we delay again it wouldn't left much time to the funded projects to work until the next summit.

About the spreadsheet : I didn't find the time to take care of it :) Actually I thought I would be good to make the spreadsheet so that each connector can only edit his/her own column, not the others. This way it should avoid any mess up! To do that I need to enter every connector gmail email.

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Thx Julie, that’s cool!
But could you open the doc so connectors can edit?

It’s view only right now.

Much success for POC21 :)

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Since @etiennezoupic is leading this, I will let him get back on this to start the next steps. This spreadsheet was only an example for now, and the next step was to formally launch the call for projects with a form so you can provide information about it! In my opinion we should not delay the process by more than 1-2 weeks max.

I do have some bad news though unfortunately: due to an error in a spreadsheet calculation, as well as news I have received that some OS projects won't be able to give as many structure costs as originally planned (because budgets ended up being smaller), or cannot do so yet, the overall available budget will be smaller than we thought.

Therefore we will need to lower both the participatory as well as the global budget by about 10 K each :( , meaning we will have about 15 K available for the participatory budgeting.

Oh indeed bad news :(
Well, we need to move forward and agree not to delay the process a lot.
cc @etiennezoupic

Dear all,

Thanks for your feedback, comments and warnings.

As this is our first pilote, we will keep the agenda and get one more week dealy to get the call for project running until 2nd of septembre, which should bring more time for people in vacation to join, but still keep a tight schedule till mid septembre.

I also added a short post on OS Connectors on FB and will put another one when the call for project launches.

@myriamboure for your example of election without candidate and more freedom, we discussed this also and thought about it, it would add a bit more complexity since we would have to check at the end who has token that it doesn't want to cash-in etc... so, we considered this other option of saying yes/no to cash in and making people vote directly for projects or open Connectors.

The spreadsheet will be open once we have all the projects from the call in the batch.

Cheers, looking forward to run this through and see how it goes.
Love,
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@etiennezoupic can you help me understand how people should propose a project to be funded? is there a Form somewhere?

@francesca should we consider official the reduction from 25 to 15K?
Also, (and maybe off topic here), do we plan to announce and share the updated global activities budget

@simonecicero I'm still waiting for some last information from the poc team about their structure costs cc @benjamintincq till I can make a final statement on the amount, but it definitely should not be less than 15 K.

I've been working on the updated global budget proposal @simonecicero and will share soon.

Here is the link to apply : http://goo.gl/forms/WUHN8JkpM2

Super late but let me send my kudos to @etiennezoupic and all who lead this.

For future "iterations" I would also get inspired by Enspiral http://www.shareable.net/blog/enspiral-changing-the-way-social-entrepreneurs-do-business processes (I am sure @francesca is more familiar with this than myself). I might "deviate" from the Basic Income idea from @thomasdonnebrink in this case yet I consider it worth evaluating pros&cons (this might also be linked to the BackFeed experimentation)

Don't know how but we should also have accountability specially in the case of projects with specific results attached? that sounds harsh.. I 've no better idea so far

#OSLove being surrounded by some many talented people! :)

@thomasdonnebrink Maybe I have misunderstood, but I thought at the summit it was stated that you could take these €350 euros and use them (or not) how you see fit. Now it seems that you can only use them for a ouishare project, either your own or to get others to donate their tokens to your projects or donate your tokens to someone else. Is this it or have I misunderstood?

@bezdomny, yes you are right, the proposal started out from this idea and angle. (Please see my comment above (29 days ago) - also in reference to @albertcanigueral preceding comment). There you find my take on basic income vs. participatory budget. Now we are in the period of experimenting, iterating etc. So trusting and thanking @etiennezoupic for taking the lead here.

@bezdomny @thomasdonnebrink @etiennezoupic you can still use this money as you like either for projects, yourself, someone else or not at all

@albertcanigueral actually I've already been talking to the guys from Cobudget for some time now on how we could use their tool, and had a good meeting with them yesterday on how we could start testing this. There are definitely some big differences between the way Enspiral functions in terms of budgeting, because everyone with the right to distribute budget has to also bre putting money in to the budget (from their own venture), but Cobudget would definitely be applicable for us. I'll give an update with more info on this soon, after they helped me setup a first pilot group and we can start testing it.

I'm fine with this initial experimentation but willing to design somethign that give more choice, accountability, leaness, openness and transparency. Of course it's related to backfeed experimentation : ^ )

The doc is open and ready for your votes. New timeline will come soon. SOrry for the delay...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QNxnd9fM_rYtfN1rgiYVbcl_PjW1Mu8SkzU_KQY8IK8/edit#gid=0

what happens to unallocated tokens at the end of the voting period?
a) allocated to the Core Team for reallocation
b) prorated on votes (up to min project budget? max project budget?)
c) a mix of both
d) some other idea

@daviddebelleville I think the discussion at the summit stated that you can also "not use" your tokens, in which case they remain in the budget. right, @thomasdonnebrink ?

As much I remembered we said that the unused tokens will be reported for next budget

@daviddebelleville I guess given that we treat each other as free people that can't be forced to do anything, "not using" your tokens is of course also an option :). Nevertheless, same as with your right "not to vote", I would consider it better to make use of it and that we experiment with it. I assume the way we use it and who, where and how distributes the tokens might be interesting and give us new insights, therefore I'd say go use'm and let's see what happens :).

So is this done? because we could use the money soon to buy equipment for the kitchen. We are also going to cook Fusion African & Syrian food with the new refugees and those with more experience.

is what done?