Participatory Budget Discussion

Thanks guys, it will be a very interesting case study. :)

Thanks for this great work guys, I find it very clear and respectful of our initial intention.

Hi everyone! Thanks a lot for this very detailed plan :-) That looks great!
I just have a question on one point:
"We ask each Connector to decide whether they are open to being funded by other Connectors, which means receiving tokens from others which they will transform into Euros by invoicing OuiShare. Each Connector also has the option to say they do not want to cash-in."
Why to offer that possibility? Why not, to be even more liquid, letting it open for anyone to give token to any another connector, and if the connector doesn't want to take the money for himself (if for example he feels he doesn't need it, or won't have time to contribute so much, or has no capacity to invoice and doesn't want to get one), (s)he can transfer those tokens to a project?
I'm just afraid about "self-censorship"...
We can also inspire from the "election without candidate". Or maybe what I understand about liquid democracy, you can give your vote to someone you trust to decide for you on a given topic. So why not, if for example I don't want to support any of the projects but I want to support someone, if this person receive for example too much tokens for what (s)he needs, (s)he can transfer tokens to projects (s)he believes are important?
It's just a thought... but I think all what you have done is awesome :-)

hello :-)
the plan sounds great! Thank you @etienne @Francesca @Julie @Manuela and @myriamboure raised an interesting point.
Though I guess the proposed timeline is not feasible; I want to add OuiXpertise Project but my brain is fried in this august heat, and everyone's taking their vacation at this time. I would suggest starting September 1st which will can lead to push the plan further until October 15.

Cheers everyone, lots of love and I miss y'all!

Thanks a lot for this work @etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6 @Manuela. It is very clear.
I have the same concern as Nelly about the timeline. Many connectors are off and might not read this message. Also I feel not all the connectors are still on Loomio and since it is an important news an email or FB connector group reminder would be just perfect.

Another question, if some connectors don't participate on time in the voting due to any reason, does that mean tokens remain with them and it cannot be cashed-in later for a project or another connector?

Good idea @khushboobalwani and @nelly1 to move the dates... I'm disconnecting from tomorrow and until the 17th August myself :-) Talk to you again end of august!

@khushboobalwani we have 73 people on loomio, so that must almost be all the Connectors! Of course we can also make a facebook post to reach more people, but I have the impression that by now we actually have more people here than on Facebook. In any case, many announcements were made about loomio being the only tool used for such things from now on, so people should be informed....

As I think @etiennezoupic had mentioned in his doc, if a Connector does not distribute his tokens on time, they will simply go into the pot for the next cycle of particpatory budgeting.

Thank you all for this awesome work!

Just a remark: considering that we need (?) to report on the allocations' and projects' results in the next Summit, likely at the beginning of December, delaying the whole process further to 15 Oct means that we would have only about 6 weeks to work on the projects and reports, and there would be still 2 months from now that projects would not be able to move forward. Would this be reasonable?

Basic income vs.? participatory budgeting.
The original intention and starting point for the proposal made at OuiShare Summit #7 was to introduce features and processes into the dealing with money, decision making and running affairs within OuiShare that are less based on centralization, bureaucratisation, heteronomy, top-down and more on decentralization, openness/transparency, participation/self-determination, trust, bottom-up and thus more in line with our values and principles and walk-the-talk. In my original ideas I tried to frame this by introducing something that I called basic income, this has turned in the course of the discussion and as proposed here in loomeo as participatory budget. I am totally fine with this as I consider both elements: basic income and participatory budgeting as very important and something we should introduce, try out and experiment with. Whether to start with the first or the second or a mixture of both I consider not so important at this point and would trust the process and @etiennezoupic @francesca @julie6 & @Manuela who have jumped in to take the lead on that. It will not be an easy task as it is entering new terrain, new thinking, happits and practices and - as we say in German - the devil is in the detail, but I am very happy that we are doing it, trying it and experimenting with it. So thanks again to the four of you and everybody participating (also agreeing with the comments concerning feasibility of @myriamboure & @khushboobalwani @nelly1 and @auli.)

Thanks! it's really interesting! agree on the timeline concern and communication approach that @khushboobalwani mentioned..this is an important step that everybody should be chased for participating in..we can use: loomio/FB/Slack/telegram/travel pigeons/ mind power/ visualisations etc...