Let's take this to the world!

Hi @ipjobooth !!
I would love nothing more than to start an IP chapter for the USA, in hopes of restoring freedom and democracy throughout my country and throughout the world. I have long believed the ever-evolving internet would be the the proverbial sword which enables humanity to carve a path of liberty and justice for all. If you forge the keys for an Internet Party of America, I will use them to serve my countrymen and all the denizens of Earth to build a better future where power is reserved for those who wish not to use it for selfish means, but rather for the betterment of all. Together, let's build a better future.
-Riley

Hey Riley A lot of people from the States are interested. I suggest you all get together as a group and then break it off into state chapters and institute some kind of national assembly. Or whatever you decide best suits you. For now, @jobooth can you please create a Loomio thread and Discord channel for Internet Party USA and lets add in each of the USians that come in and want to be a part of it. :)

Welcome to the Party @rileycurran - I've created a spot with your name on it at https://internet-party.loomio.org/g/7yuxDP3O/internet-party-policy-incubator-ipusa - jump in and I'll make you coordinator! :purple_heart: :us:

Thank you, I appreciate the opportunity to help build something that will better all mankind.

This is Kelven from Nigeria. Glad to finally be here. I'm here 'cos I'll so much love a version of The Internet Party to be established in my country. I'll appreciate whatever help I can get to bring this to fruition!

Cheers.

Hi Kelven. Great to have a fellow tech journalist on board! More details will be following soon. Please ping @jobooth to get your Loomio page set up

Hi! Feel free to ask for a ng.internet-party.co, we just set up the Wordpress Multisite platform... Apply here: https://internet-party.co/apply ;)

Hi all

Here is the draft copy of our manifesto for terms and conditions of establishment of international Internet Parties. Please be advised that it is pending legal approval and may be subject to change. Sorry this took a little longer than expected but we really wanted to get it right.

Thanks,
Suz

INTERNET PARTY - INTERNATIONAL GUIDELINES

CORE VALUES

As stated under section 3 (Objectives) of the Constitution of the Internet Party of New Zealand, our core values are:

• Openness
• Freedom
• Fairness
• Connectedness
• Innovation

LOCAL ELECTION RULES / COMPLIANCE

Each international Internet Party is responsible for learning and complying with the particular election rules of their country/state/province. The electoral rules followed by the Internet Party of New Zealand relate only to the territory of New Zealand and are not applicable to the international movement. The Internet Party of New Zealand suggests that you consult local expertise in order to assure you comply with any and all electoral rules and associated legislation.

LEGAL

The Internet Party of New Zealand advises that you should seek and employ local, competent legal counsel in order to ensure that the legal aspects of your Party business structure, communications, finances and the operations of your Party comply with applicable local laws.

ACCOUNTING

The Internet Party of New Zealand advises that you should seek and employ local, competent accounting assistance in order to ensure that you are fully complying with applicable local financial and accounting regulations.

CONSTITUTION

The Internet Party of New Zealand Constitution sets out the rules for the operation of the Party and it’s structure. The Internet Party of New Zealand allows the use of its Party Constitution as a base template from which the international Parties can adopt and later make adjustments by consensus of their Executive Committee once appointed, as befits their circumstances, provided that such alterations are in the spirit of the Core Values of the Internet Party of New Zealand.

The most recent copy of the Constitution of the Internet Party of New Zealand can be read here:

http://ipnz.github.io/Docs/ConstitutionAndRules/

COMMUNICATIONS

Although the Internet Party of New Zealand has supplied the Loomio and Discord spaces for the initial point of contact for the international Internet Parties, the latter are responsible for setting up their own social media accounts and website domains, establishing and moderating their own communications channels and for any content or conduct within or related to the aforementioned.

BRANDING

International Internet Parties must be recognisable to the public by the use of a modified version of the Internet Party of New Zealand logo. The Internet Party of New Zealand allows use of this logo on the following understanding:

the original logo will not be altered, only added to (by adding words or graphics that represent your country)
that the brand will not be used to represent anything which violates our Core Values
please email your modified brand to media@internet.org.nz for approval
For official copies of our branding templates/logo please contact media@internet.org.nz

TECH SUPPORT

Some initial tech support, within reason, is available by contacting @ipnztech on Twitter (DM’s are open)

Any questions? email international@internet.org.nz

All international Parties must be registered with the Internet Party of New Zealand and will be listed in our directory site which is going up at https://internet-party.co

SUBSCRIPTION FEES

At no time will the Internet Party of New Zealand charge any membership or subscription fees from the international Parties. Only New Zealand citizens who are members of the Internet Party of New Zealand are subject to the payment of membership fees.

In agreeing with the above terms and establishing their Parties, the international Parties recognise that the relationship between the Internet Party of New Zealand and the international Parties is non-financial.

PIRATE PARTIES INTERNATIONAL

The Internet Party of New Zealand is applying for member status with Pirate Parties international (PPI). This can be extended to international Internet Parties on a case-by-case basis. There are many benefits to joining PPI - as there is an established international network of many thousands of tech-savvy members, with a mature organisational structure and annual conference. We highly suggest that once firmly established, each international Internet Party also applies for member status with PPI.

DISCLAIMER

Internet Party of New Zealand disclaims any and all liability arising from any and all activities of the international Internet Parties.

NOTES: This document is currently pending approval by the legal counsel of the Internet Party of New Zealand and may be modified in the future. Any revised copy will be posted to the International page on our Loomio. It is the responsibility of the International Parties to keep up to date with any such changes.

Im confused. How will Pirate Party InternationalI membership benefit International Internet Parties in countries with already well established Pirate Party?

Does the Internet Party of New Zealand joining PPI not represent a potential conflict of interesting going forward for those of us starting Internet Parties in countries where the PP is already well established?

Is the Internet Part of New Zealand becoming the Pirate Party of New Zealand under a different name?

We are working with them based around our similarities and retaining our own sovereignty and independence re any differences. It's simply a support mechanism. Particularly in the case of New Zealand, there are many parallels. And since Pirates have successfully entered government in multiple countries, utilising their experience and networks is a sound decision. But we will not "become" the Pirates, no. Simply becoming honorary members of the International affiliates org.

Hi all, I can confirm that values and objectives can be considered quite similar... I've been personally involved in Italian and Swiss Pirate Parties since 2010 for example... ;)

Hi All. I enthusiastically joined the Pirate Party of Switzerland in 2011, I became one of their vice-president. I enjoyed a lot the international pirate community. I left the Pirate Party by the end of 2014, here some lessons learned:

1 - Political parties are not the future of democracy. Internet is about collaboration. Parties are about division. Call yourself 'Internet Democracy' instead ('ID' would sounds like 'idea'). As a party you will loose a lot of energy in things that are not necessary to reach the goal set by Kim ("Rise up against power abusing elites, corrupt media & deep state.").

2- You think the people in power abuse their position? Take them that power! The best way I found is to get rid of elections and go back to a real authentic democratic mecanism called drawing by lot (sortition). Reducing the power of lobbies and money. We started such an initiative in 2015 in Switzerland (http://piratetimes.net/initiative-in-switzerland-calls-for-a-referendum-on-elections-by-sortition/ or read this article that is available in 10 languages https://www.swissinfo.ch/directdemocracy/inclusive-democracy_what-if-the-house-of-representatives-were-chosen-at-random-/43168412 or check our website, www.genomi.ch, available in French and German ) THIS is a real change.

3- The future is project-oriented action. Not being a party and loosing energy, being defocused of our goal. With some friends we even thought of creating an antiparty, i.e. a party that do all opposite of 'normal' 'boring' parties. I would suggest to not go into the 'party business', you could be disappointed. Instead do what others do to take over influence and power: create a well funded fundation to buy major media, finance projects like ours that aims at a real direct change (get democracy back, get our monetary system back, stop wars, change education system, build networks of autonomous collectives etc). Watch the French documentary DEMAIN (Tomorrow) to find ideas.

Before you start with IP, find the time to listen to those who already tried.

I would be pleased to get some comments on that.

Best greetings from Internet, Charly Pache (www.charlypache.ch)

HI Charlie, that's interesting.. I have spoken to a former UK PP volunteer who said some similar things. Seems there was an ideological split among you guys at an international level.

What you say about party politics is true, but it's the system we have for now and only political parties will be able to actually decide the future of party politics. So by getting involved in party politics we can actually change democracy for the better.

Remember lobby groups suggest policies but they don't implement the political parties do...

The Pirate movement should have been an Internet lobby, not a party, we would have been more efficient. As a lobby you can talk with everyone, as a party you are in competition with other parties. In Switzerland it's through some MPs of other parties who liked our ideas and expertise that we could have some influence, as we didn't succeed to have any MP ourself.

Building a new party is like bringing a new product on an established market, you need a lot of money for marketing and/or a big popular support (ie voters are fed up with current parties). It's a real challenge. Most of voters won't vote for you if they don't know you. If you prefer to play the game of party politics, I would suggest to apply to an existing party and try to make your ideas get real there rather than creating a new political 'brand' from scratch.

In Switzerland - and I think there are not a lot of modern democracies who provide these tools - the citizen may change the constitution (initiative) or reject a law passed by the parliament (referendum). It means that in Switzerland, not only political parties - whose members represents in fact a tiny minority of the population (if I remember well, 3% are members of a political party in Europe) - can decide about the future of politics.

For the lobbies, they do more than just suggesting, they help to write the laws! When a MP accepts to work for a lobby, it happens very often that the MP gets assistance from 'experts' paid by the lobby to help him write legislative texts in a way that supports their interests.

Yes, the lobby groups are involved in the law making process, but it is the majority political parties in government who pass those laws. And they pass laws based on the manifesto and vision they campaigned on.

Most parties these days are bought out by the lobby groups and pass laws that are based on a questionable research. It doesn't matter what lobby group you set up when the main parties are already bought out. They will just ignore you and listen to who they are told to listen to.

Exposing the corruption of both the Parties and lobby groups will be part of the strategy of how we gain both support and funding for our party.

You can try to discourage all you want but I wont be discouraged.

At the moment IP UK is barebones... it doesn't even have an Executive committee or anything. Even when we do have an executive committee, I don't think it would be a good idea to start campaigning in elections until we have generated significant interest and have a significant following on social media.

Diving straight into elections campaigns is probably not a good idea. Instead we can begin conducting ourselves as if we are a lobbying organisation, and insodoing attract interest from among the experts involved in policy research who may find our manifesto more appealing than who they are currently working for. Once we have enough industry support then the reach of our opinions will hopefully be strong enough that we will no longer be able to be kept out of the public debate, and the mainstream media will do most of our marketing for us. That's when we should begin our election campaigns.

I don't see how being a political party will be a hindrance to our lobbying / policy making efforts. Infact by being a political party we have a greater opportunity to publicly challenge the policies being presented by the mainstream parties.

Edit to add:

Based on my preliminary research it seems there are many public policy organisations in the tech-world who are quite left leaning, but their views are not being represented by the government or opposition. The internet party may be the perfect way to help bring those groups together and help get their policies and research taken more seriously.

Great thoughts Felix. Would also add that even by getting our ideas on the table, other parties are under pressure to review them and adopt them where they see fit. Even though Internet Party didn't get into Parliament in 2014, we see some of our core 2014 policies which we were even ridiculed for back then already being adopted by both government and by opposition in 2017. So this game isn't just about winning or just about votes. We can effect change simply by stepping up and having a voice.

Hi Felix, I don't want to discourage, on the contrary, I'm still trying myself to find a way to change this system with little means, I just share experience so that you can know what works and what is harder to achieve. To not make the same mistakes I already saw. To not loose too much energy in unrealistic hopes. Case-studies are a great common learning tool in the anglo-saxon culture. Building links with other tech-world policy organisations is a great step! Meet them, ask them what kind of support they would need, ask them to be partners. Raising a lot of money helps too. In the ideal case you will become a professional NGO with a permanent office. Instead of putting your own politicians on the scene, try to convince existing open-minded elected politicians to join your 'network' of politicians who support your vision of an open and fair world. Look at this example, in Switzerland again, where /ch/open (https://www.ch-open.ch/fr/ueberuns/) succeeded to create a group of MPs (49 out of 246 joined the group!) called 'Parliamentary Group for Sustainable IT' and organise regular meetings and conferences about those topics: http://www.durabilite-numerique.ch/about/ (available in French or German). I don't know whether in the UK you have this kind of groups, but you could imagine to create one called 'Parliamentary Group for Sustainable Politics'. Good luck with all this, sincerely! Charly

Furthermore - and I dare to tell this because we are in an open discussion, don't hate me too much :-D - I find the name inappropriate. Kim's phrase states a fight against corruption, influence of money. Call yourself 'Incorruptible Party' 'The Untouchables' or 'Anti-corruption Party' or 'Transparency Party'. 'Internet Party' is like someone would have created an 'Television Party' in the seventies :-D On Internet you have the best but you also have the worst. It means nothing, it's barely a media. There is no common values linked with Internet nowadays. Internet can be restricted, closed, violent etc. And one important point, less and less people are attracted by political parties, to call yourself a 'party' is like to cut yourself a leg before to run a marathon. Keep in mind it's all friendly remarks, like a big brother (hahah) would do.

Unlike Television, Internet can be a two way conversation. And that is the Paradigm/panacea to the systems currently controlling information. This is why we see this control rushing into the ISPs - so Internet Party sits well with me, now and into the future. We are the digital revolution, the people who lived at the time when everything changed. As empowered people let's change everything.

Hi guys I'm Alex i live in Barcelona and I'm a digital activist with many online civil rights campaigns done in the last 10 years! I want really to say SPAIN ready!

@jobooth can you please hook Spain up with a Loomio and discord channel and more details? Thanks!

Awesome! Welcome!!

yes of course !! sorry but i've been busy ths week! now Im 100% on the project!

"two way conversation" -> then let's create the Mobile Phone Party (MPP, aka Mega Pirate Party) :-D it's freedom, mobility and it contains even.. Internet! ..seriously, it needs a bigger change than a new political party with tiny influence. The challenges are huge. So has to be the answer. Get rich and famous people on your side and go for it. Last hint: add Free to your name to give more meaning: Free Internet Party. Good luck and see you on the battle fields of democracy!

Hi guys - the international manifesto has been proofed by our lawyer and the amended copy is below. Please make sure to read it, adopt and abide by the terms.

Thanks,
Suz

INTERNET PARTY - INTERNATIONAL GUIDELINES

CORE VALUES

As stated under section 3 (Objectives) of the Constitution of the Internet Party of New Zealand, our core values are:

• Openness
• Freedom
• Fairness
• Connectedness
• Innovation

LOCAL ELECTION RULES / COMPLIANCE

Each international Internet Party is responsible for learning and complying with the particular election rules of their country/state/province. The electoral rules followed by the Internet Party of New Zealand relate only to the territory of New Zealand and are not applicable to the international movement. The Internet Party of New Zealand suggests that you consult local expertise in order to assure you comply with any and all electoral rules and associated legislation.

LEGAL

The Internet Party of New Zealand advises that you should seek and employ local, competent legal counsel in order to ensure that the legal aspects of your Party business structure, communications, finances and the operations of your Party comply with applicable local laws.

ACCOUNTING

The Internet Party of New Zealand advises that you should seek and employ local, competent accounting assistance in order to ensure that you are fully complying with applicable local financial and accounting regulations.

CONSTITUTION

The Internet Party of New Zealand has no power to approve or disapprove the Party Constitutions of international Internet Parties.

The Internet Party of New Zealand Constitution sets out the rules for the operation of the Party and its structure. The Internet Party of New Zealand allows the use of its Party Constitution as a base template from which the international Parties can adopt and later make adjustments by consensus of their Executive Committee once appointed, as befits their circumstances, provided that such alterations are in the spirit of the Core Values of the Internet Party of New Zealand.

The most recent copy of the Constitution of the Internet Party of New Zealand can be read here:

http://ipnz.github.io/Docs/ConstitutionAndRules/

As we have no control over the international Parties, we therefore bear no responsibility for their actions or implementations of our Constitution.

COMMUNICATIONS

Although the Internet Party of New Zealand has supplied the Loomio and Discord spaces for the initial point of contact for the international Internet Parties, the latter are responsible for setting up their own social media accounts and website domains, establishing and moderating their own communications channels and for any content or conduct within or related to the aforementioned.

BRANDING

International Internet Parties must be recognisable to the public by the use of a modified version of the Internet Party of New Zealand logo. The Internet Party of New Zealand allows use of this logo on the following understanding:

the original logo will not be altered, only added to (by adding words or graphics that represent your country)
that the brand will not be used to represent anything which violates our Core Values
please email your modified brand to media@internet.org.nz for approval
For official copies of our branding templates/logo please contact media@internet.org.nz

TECH SUPPORT

Some initial tech support, within reason, is available by contacting @ipnztech on Twitter (DM’s are open)

Any questions? email international@internet.org.nz

All international Parties must be registered with the Internet Party of New Zealand and will be listed in our directory site which is going up at https://internet-party.co

SUBSCRIPTION FEES

At no time will the Internet Party of New Zealand charge any membership or subscription fees from the international Parties. Only individuals who are personally members of the Internet Party of New Zealand are subject to the payment of membership fees to belong to the Internet Party of New Zealand. Members of international Internet Parties are a matter solely for each international Party

In agreeing with the above terms and establishing their Parties, the international Parties recognise that the relationship between the Internet Party of New Zealand and the international Parties is non-financial.

PIRATE PARTIES INTERNATIONAL

The Internet Party of New Zealand is applying for member status with Pirate Parties international (PPI). This can be extended to international Internet Parties on a case-by-case basis. There are many benefits to joining PPI - as there is an established international network of many thousands of tech-savvy members, with a mature organisational structure and annual conference. We highly suggest that once firmly established, each international Internet Party also applies for member status with PPI.

DISCLAIMER

Because you support the values of the Internet Party of the New Zealand, we have no objection to you using the Internet Party name and Branding, but the Internet Party of New Zealand disclaims any and all liability arising from any and all activities of the international Internet Parties.

This document is currently pending approval by the Executive Committee of the Internet Party of New Zealand and may be modified in the future. Any revised copy will be posted to the International page on our Loomio. It is the responsibility of the International Parties to keep up to date with any such changes.

Hi all, I'm very happy to show you a proposal for a decentralized communication platform for Europe: ipeu.org (still closed to public - the password is "ipeu").

In this initial/constitutional phase we will just collecting emails and giving volunteers the opportunity to manage their own EU Chapter autonomously (thanks to a Multisite WP installation).

Basically, every European Internet Party can easily have its own website with two clicks (see it.ipeu.org, es.ipeu.org, etc.)...

I am personally in contact with ES, CH and IT (me) so they are in and they helped me to set all up, but I saw some messages here from UK, DE/AT, PT so I'm trying to reach them to let them know this "idea".

Of course the single Chapters will not be "obliged" to use the ipeu.org platform: in case we will redirect to their website.

Hope this helps!

We're going to be live in 20 minutes talking to the updated International strategy - come join us at https://IPnz.live/stream - or on Zoom to interact. :purple_heart: :soon: :nz: :world_map:

Hi guys, today we unveiled the new "World" section of our website live on You Tube and also took a look at the progress of Internet Party of Australia and Internet Party of Europe. Please check out and circulate this link to all your contacts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfphwQg52I

Thanks,
Suz

Hi all!

internet-party.eu domain should now be up & running...

IT, CH, PT and ES are active...

RO (Romania) still missing: they have a FB and TW profiles but don't respond to our messages.

UK decided to not be considered part of the EU even geographically due to Brexit referendum.

:rocket: :rocket: :rocket:

Thanks for taking this and running with it @carlito - awesome stuff.

I'm looking for someone to champion the non Wu domain - internet-party.co so maybe @felixinthemix456

Thanks for taking this and running with it @carlito - awesome stuff.

I'm looking for someone to champion the non eu domain - https://internet-party.co so maybe @felixinthemix456 you could have uk.internet-party.co and setup Multisite WordPress like the EU one?

Hi people, very happy to join you, let's go global!

Hi all, I am Daniele,

I have been for long time the official representer of the Pirate Party Itali at the PP-EU, the European Pirate Party, since before it was built. So I partecipated to all the works for the constitution.
I promoted successfullly the adoption of an e-democracy platform (liquidfeedback) inside the Italian Pirate Party and tried to extend it at a European level (Euroliquid).
I also worked togeter with M5S representers in order to adopt a free e-democracy software inside the M5S (Grillo) Party, instead of the actual closed source one.

In 2012 my wife and I were celebrating the first Kopimist Wedding, The missionari church of Kopimism is the first anti-copiright religion, officially recognized in Sweden.

Happy to join!

thank you so much for joining us!!

Wow European group is growing fast! Awesome!

Please jump in the IPEurope discussion channel...! https://www.loomio.org/invitations/a96b6b5e66cf32ba57a3

...and for the Italians...
https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1acdd8e9cc92f0d071f2

Welcome @ruankranz - awesome to have Brazil along

Welcome along @jeffcigrand - lets see if we can help make it happen for you!

thank you, I would only need an editable logo (illustrator, photoshop whatever) and a design guide if there is one. And we would need to use a different color, violet is already used by another party. Oh and maybe a subgourp IPLU

There may be something useful at https://internet.org.nz/goodies - I can likely grab a source file for you if anything catches your eye.