Shall we create a crowd funding campaign for a Loomio app?

Maybe not the most appropriate place to chuck my mobile-app-related 5 cents in, but can we make sure the Loomio app for Android gets packaged for F-Droid?

Maybe not though. The focus will be on PWA for Android.

iOS will get an app, but I wonder if we'll need it on Google play actually.

Fair enough. I think browser apps are more likely to be used than native apps, which is why so much software migrated to the web in the early 2000s. If there's no Loomio apps in the Goggle Prey Store, I'm not going to insist on seeing it in F-Droid ;)

FWIW the downside of a native app on iOS is that AFAIK Apple don't allow copyleft licensed software in their app store, forcing you to put the source code for that app - and potentially for a bunch of core Loomio code - under a pushover license instead of (A)GPL. Maybe better to look at a more nativish web app on iOS too?

I would much more prefer a responsive website.

Glad you said so! Are you on Loomio 2? It's responsible, mobile ready web app. It's what we're going to use as the basis of our app distributions.

Not yet. I will try it now.

What's the latest re: getting push notifications on Loomio?

I've so nearly got several groups to try Loomio (and a couple which did try it) but always is the lack of push notifications that keeps them moving over to Slack or MatterMost. Or even worse, some single thread group chat in an instant messaging app.

In my experience, a lack of push notifications simply makes Loomio disappear under the noise of daily life, for many of the groups I am out have been working in. Of course with push notifications it's possible to have the choice of turning them off, if desired.

Actually just had this same conversation with a co-op committee that uses Loomio, but has been having some trouble with consistent engagement with it, and the lack of push notifications were identified as a major barrier.

that is what slack integration is for? to keep the doohickey device users happy?

Hey David :) I've never heard the word doohickey in my 34 year life but happy to be told what it means!
Sure, can integrate Slack through an API, but man...I don't know if you have experience of getting normal / diverse groups (including non-techie people) to change to a new tool? It's difficult mate. Without having to connect it via an API to a 2nd app! what about all the people who don't use Slack? Or only want to use Slack?

We just need 1 tool. I deeply feel that's what so much of the world is crying out for.

1 tool that does all the things we need around group decision making in decentralised organisations. That's why there's a time poll feature + a partipation feature. I don't want to rely on everyone also installing Slack.

(thanks though : )

Exactly this - we actually did the very thing you said was worst, using a Messenger group chat for everything. Rudimentary polls are built in, fortunately, and push notifications for everyone (which is sooo much better than email), and our engagement is way better since switching from Loomio.

But... I'd rather a libre solution. Slack obviously is therefore not an option. And I agree, one tool for everything would really be ideal because it's hard enough to get everyone to do that - especially in an organization like mine where no one gets paid...

certainly luke...

doohickey(gadget,dingus,thinga me bob😎) device is my passive/aggressive way of denigrating modern phones clutched in hot little hands expecting an effortless Push...while actively checking another site.

i really must put more detail in my sentences.

the slack integration i was referring to was the slack integration that loomio has built in. did u know of that?

but,yes...getting people to engage constructively is a challenge.(yes,i do have experience...)

i can see the hard place that loomio is up against in terms of what people expect.