Abolish the Reserve Bank

- Abolish the Reserve Bank
- Move towards a gold standard
- Government to issue interest free currency
- Goods producing economy

Colin Davies
Thu 31 Jul 2014 6:11AM
Disjointed proposal.

Colin England
Thu 31 Jul 2014 10:15AM
#3 requires #1 and contradicts #2. Gold Standards don't work for a number of reasons but the big one is that there's a fixed amount of gold and a growing economy.

pilotfever
Fri 1 Aug 2014 11:27PM
Gold standard. No.
Alan Bainbridge
Fri 1 Aug 2014 11:57PM
I would suggest that if you stuck to number 3 (and perhaps added "and spend it into existence", much of the contradiction and opposition would disappear.
David Johnston Wed 30 Jul 2014 11:31PM
@ericokane
1. Who would print /administer NZ currency if not the RB?
2. "Government to issue interest free currency " What does this mean?

Luke Williams Thu 31 Jul 2014 1:47AM
Blockchain technology such as Bitcoin solves most of these problems already. Decentralised so a private party (reserve bank) is not issuing the currency (#1). Assuming the reasoning for going backwards to the gold standard is due to it's finiteness. Bitcoin too is finite #2. There's no need for the government to issue currency as the blockchain already does that and is self regulating(math and cryptography) #3. and well #4 has very little to do with the monetary system and more to do with private sectors and industries. And its 2014 and we are a tiny country, would should be exporting digital goods not physical goods (like we currently do)

Marc Whinery Fri 1 Aug 2014 4:33AM
@lukewilliams Decentralized blockchain currencies have always been deflationary. Economies collapse under run away inflation, but collapse faster under high deflation.
Also, Bitcoin is anti-environmental. It wastes massive resources to "mine" and authenticate transactions. We can do better than something designed as a proof of concept for the tinfoil hat crowd.

Colin England Fri 1 Aug 2014 5:13AM
@lukewilliams All blockchain currencies are presently issued by private entities. All that needed to issue BitCoins, as an ie, is a computer crunching the numbers. All that's backing BitCoins and other similar currencies is, quite literally, nothing and that means that those currencies are worth nothing.
A currency becomes worth something when it is backed by a real economy. And by real economy I mean resources such as iron, titanium, wood, food and people. This is why we limit the issuance of currency to nations through their reserve bank and not private individuals or institutions.

Rangi Kemara Fri 1 Aug 2014 6:01AM
@marcwhinery
Decentralized blockchain currencies have always been deflationary.
Not all of them, a couple are experimenting with different constructs. Peercoin and Zetacoin are two examples of crypto coins built programmically to be inflationary.
David Johnston Fri 1 Aug 2014 6:54AM
@colinengland Where are you getting that from? The wikipedia article on inflation suggests that slightly inflationary currencies work best.

Colin England Fri 1 Aug 2014 7:03AM
@davidjohnston Where am I getting what from?
David Johnston Fri 1 Aug 2014 7:11AM
@colinengland Sorry I slightly misread your post, but this point:
"A currency becomes worth something when it is backed by a real economy. And by real economy I mean resources such as iron, titanium, wood, food and people. ".
This simply isn't true. A New Zealand dollar isn't backed by anything (it's fiat), but has value. Go anywhere in New Zealand and people will give you real goods or services in exchange for it. It has value.

Colin England Fri 1 Aug 2014 7:23AM
@davidjohnston The NZ$ is backed by the NZ economy. This is the difference between those currencies issued by private individuals and institutions (crypto-currencies, bank money) and those issued by states.
This is why people can't go round printing money and using it as cash. As an individual they don't have the economy to back it up. Private banks have tried it before and it didn't work then which is why we ended up with rules against it but the private banks have been at it again (http://www.positivemoney.org/how-money-works/proof-that-banks-create-money/) and so the global economy crashed.

pilotfever Fri 1 Aug 2014 11:44PM
A reneewable New Zealand energy credit will always have demand in the domestic economy which is the one I wish to target to address income inequality. Energy is useful. Renewable is better because of the environmental imperative.

Michael Osborne Sat 2 Aug 2014 9:22AM
I assume that the overall intention of this proposal is to get us away from the current mode of debt-based money - an intention I fully support. However, I disagree with the proposed implementation of how to deal with this.
Positive Money (NZ) have been working on this and their proposal bears attention http://positivemoney.org.nz/Site/Solution/Overview/default.aspx

Marc Whinery Sat 2 Aug 2014 9:27PM
@michaelosborne1 How is "positive money" any different from making lending illegal? How would a person borrow to buy a house under "positive money"?
Reading the site, it implies that "positive money" will crash the economy such that houses will be cheap, but I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Cohen Glass Mon 25 Aug 2014 11:02AM
Its the Rothschild Bank- and yes it has to go- they create poverty at predetermined rates- for profit. = violence on a mass scale. They should also be investigated and locked up
Adele Etheridge · Wed 30 Jul 2014 11:17PM
Niether of the major psrties are willing to restrain the reserve bank so it needs to go